What She Saw in Hell Could Save Someone You Love

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Laurie Ditto sat down with Ezekiel Azonwu on We Need to Talk for one of the most powerful hell testimony interviews ever recorded. Over two hours, Laurie shares what she witnessed in hell — and why Jesus allowed her to see it. This is not entertainment. This is a warning meant to wake up the Church before it's too late. In this interview, Laurie shares how she was sent to hell because of unforgiveness — and what Jesus showed her there. Many Christians don't realize that unforgiveness can have eternal consequences. Laurie's eyewitness account of hell is a warning for believers who think they are safe.

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Interview Outline — Jump to a Section

The State of the World — Lawlessness & the Days of Noah
The "Once Saved, Always Saved" Lie
The Drug Cartel Man — Can Anyone Be Forgiven?
Laurie's Many Visits to Heaven — and Pride
The Root of Unforgiveness — Laurie's Story
Laurie's Ministry Background — All Boxes Checked
The Gates of Hell Open
Inside Hell — The Teardrop Cell
The Flames, the Body, and the Torment
Sins Returned — Every 10 Years
Christians in Hell
Matthew 18 — The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
- Q&A: What Does This Mean For Us?
Returning from Hell — The Trauma
Physical Consequences — No Fingerprints, Broken Eardrums
30 Months of Silence — Then God Speaks
The Answer — Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj's Word
The Four Steps of Repentance
- Q&A: Breaking Down Repentance
Laurie Leads the Salvation Prayer — On Her Knees, Live On Air
Ezekiel Affirms the Gospel After Laurie's Prayer

What She Saw in Hell Could Save Someone You Love — Laurie Ditto with Ezekiel Azonwu, We Need to Talk

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1. The State of the World — Lawlessness & the Days of Noah

Laurie: Any society that human traffics a baby — a million dollars to sleep with a baby under a year old — we are a wicked and perverse generation. Everybody thinks they're going to heaven. Everybody thinks they're good.

Ezekiel: We are living in the days of Noah. Jesus is coming back soon. Nobody knows the day or the hour, but you can know the season. And we are there. There is so much lawlessness. When you look up what lawlessness means according to the Bible, lawlessness is rebellion — it is directly against God. It's not just a traffic ticket. It is all-out going against God.

Are you a male or a female? Now you can't even tell when a baby's born. Lawlessness. Even the law of God making them male and female is now being ripped apart. For centuries, since the beginning of time, they knew — that's a girl, that's a boy. Lawlessness. It is abounding.

2. The "Once Saved, Always Saved" Lie

Ezekiel: And this doctrine of demons that the Bible talks about — I believe it is the once-saved, always-saved lie. Because when I was in hell, the number one lie was once saved, always saved. There are so many Christians in hell. People say, "Well, a Christian can't go to hell." Read your Bible.

I do a TV show on Angel TV called Living for Eternity, and I'm making a series — a seven-part series on breaking down that lie. Christians need to know how to defend themselves. Yes, you were saved when you believed on the Lord Jesus Christ — that's true. Now you need to keep that salvation so that your name is not blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life. You do that through sanctification.

Can you turn from your faith? Yes. Can you be considered wicked by heaven once you were saved? Yes. Can you deny Christ and have him deny you in front of his Father? Yes. There are so many scriptures that back up that once saved, always saved is a doctrine of demons. We need to shake the body of Christ awake. The greatest falling away is coming.

3. The Drug Cartel Man — Can Anyone Be Forgiven?

Laurie: I talked with a drug cartel man in Mexico. He came and said, "You're going to tell me I'm going to hell?" I said, "You are going to hell." He said, "How can you just tell me that? What about the grace and mercy of God?" I said, "Look at you. You came here to kill us."

He said, "What do I need to do?" So I led him in a prayer. God makes it that easy for all of us. This man had murdered — he had those little teardrops tattooed on his face. Somebody murdered my own brother. And yet God says, "This guy gets to be forgiven — so long as you stay in that lane."

I told him, "Now you need to go help them catch all the bad guys." He said, "If I do that, they will kill me." I said, "Look, you're going to die anyway. Show me what you've done for Jesus. Your faith has works."

4. Laurie's Many Visits to Heaven — and Pride

Laurie: Hell is a real place. Ezekiel, when I went to hell — I had been to heaven. I'm not trying to exaggerate. I've been to heaven so many times. Doesn't make me special. Anybody can go to heaven. When you go to sleep, tell God, "I want to be with you." He'll bring you.

So I've been to heaven many times, and I'll be honest — it kind of made me a little puffed up. You know — I'm all that and a bag of chips.

Ezekiel: It's hard not to feel special when you've seen so many things.

Laurie: Yes. And I tried — God, help me, don't be prideful. But that wasn't the sin that took me to hell.

5. The Root of Unforgiveness — Laurie's Story

Laurie: He kept talking to me: Lori, I need you to forgive. I didn't have the best childhood. Bad things happened. I went to heaven, I met God, he said "Give me that pain" — and I gave him some. But he needed me to keep forgiving, to keep giving him more and more of that pain. I tried. I read the Bible. I went to a pastor and said, "I need to forgive, but I don't know how."

Ezekiel: How do you forgive somebody who did things to you that shouldn't be done?

Laurie: He told me, "You give up your right to hurt somebody back." I grabbed that hook, line, and sinker — and it's a lie. You have no right to say "I give up my right to hurt you back." I am in the same boat as them. I need Jesus to save me. I have no rights. He saved me the same way he's going to save everybody else.

So I got fixated on "I have a right" — and when it's really played out, our heart is wicked. Above all things, it's wicked. Jesus can't trust me to judge you. So I don't get to judge you. He will.

6. Laurie's Ministry Background — All Boxes Checked

Laurie: The date is August 28, 2008. At that time, I was assistant director of a large evangelism movement. I organized probably 60 outreaches a week. I trained leaders. I prayed 24 hours a week. I made sure we never fell behind on a tithe. I thought I was an okay wife, an okay mom. I was a great grandma. All my boxes were checked.

If you'd asked me, "If you died today, where are you going?" I would have humbly said, "I'm going to heaven."

7. The Gates of Hell Open

Laurie: That day there was a meeting. Before it started, there were multitudes of angels outside the building pressing in. I told my boss, "Man, there are a lot of angels here today." He said, "What do you think they're here for?" I said, "Must be something fantastic — something unprecedented is going to happen."

We were singing a song about the lost — one of my favorites. And the front of the room opened up. Two realities came together. Usually when that happens, a vision is getting ready to occur. But this one — I wasn't given a choice. I did not want to see what was happening.

I saw the gates of hell. You will know them when you see them. It is a place separated from God. I felt the heat come into the room first. That heat was so intense, my brain thought a bomb had gone off. I opened my eyes — and I saw the gates of hell.

Those gates swung open and a hand came out of hell and grabbed me in my spirit. It began dragging me from the back of the room toward those gates. Hot, terrible smell coming out. Screams coming out. I didn't want to go. I tried to throw myself back, but you couldn't. It had me.

I'm 5'5". That gate opening was bigger than me — 6 or 7 feet, and thicker than I am tall. It is a wall. You cannot penetrate through it. They are not coming out.

As soon as I was taken in, those gates slammed shut. And the noise they made is probably the most terrifying noise I have ever experienced. That noise was worse than all of the screaming — and everybody was screaming.

8. Inside Hell — The Teardrop Cell

Laurie: I was taken and placed in a teardrop-shaped cell, all by myself, suspended over a lake of fire. It was bubbling. I was laid down in that cell looking up — and I saw God the Father. He looked down at me and said:

"You are in hell eternally for unforgiveness."

Ezekiel: Oh my.

Laurie: There was no do-over. Jesus had tried and tried. Lori, you have to forgive. You have to forgive. But I wouldn't give up my right. I told myself: they deserve to feel something. They deserve punishment. I'm going to judge them. If you don't forgive them, you're judging them. There was no do-over.

9. The Flames, the Body, and the Torment

Laurie: The flame in hell is not like the flame in heaven. It's not like fire on earth. There are three different fires. The fire in hell is black — a blackness filled with evil, a darkness the Lord would call dark. Sin hides in darkness. This is the color of the flames in hell. When that flame burns you, that part of you is forever dark. It can't come back to life.

There is no water in hell. My whole body evaporated. What was left was just skin with bones — because we're mostly water. It was excruciating pain.

When God said "You are in hell eternally for unforgiveness," he reached up to the top of his garment and ripped it across his chest. I had never seen that done. I didn't know what it meant. But having seen it, I knew exactly what it meant: I'm done with you.

How can this be? I had all my boxes checked. I went to hell because I would not forgive.

My eyes broke apart. My skin burned and dripped off of me. You're going to scream like you've never screamed before. My eyes broke apart but still worked. My eardrums broke, but you hear all these people screaming. Your heart comes alive — and what was in it was hatred. Because ultimately, unforgiveness leads to hatred. That's what it is.

Ezekiel: When it's all done — it comes to murder.

Laurie: Unforgiveness — when it gets to play itself out, it's murder. And a murderer cannot enter the kingdom of God. That's who you are when you're filled with unforgiveness.

These fires twisted me. Every single bone in my body was broken. You just keep throwing up because you're breathing air that is so poisonous. It was the worst torture.

All my good memories — the birth of our children, the birth of our grandchildren, my mom laughing — they came together and were gone. The only memories left were the ones of great pain. And that's the only thing you're going to live over and over and over.

The people in hell look like demons. Filled with darkness — like a blob of cancer. You all look the same. This separated place from God — there is no light, no love, no life, no water, nothing good. Everybody is suspended and burning. And a time is coming where all those suspensions are going to fall into that fire. It is the worst place. Ever.

10. Sins Returned — Every 10 Years

Laurie: Hell moves in increments of 10 years. Every 10 years, it crunched — and everybody participates in the same pain. Whatever you've done wrong, and whatever I've done wrong — you get 100% of yours and 100% of mine. It's not divided. It's all thrown together and everyone pays for everybody's sins. Because Jesus went there and paid for everybody's sins. And if that's what you choose, this is what you get.

I was in hell 70 years. God owns time. And on the minute he took me out, I had only processed three stacks of sins coming back to me.

The first stack: You're not kind. When Jesus first forgave me, he separated all my sin away from me — and put it in hell. There's only one place where God remembers things no more, and that is the place separated from him. So all my sin went to hell. And now, in hell, every instance of me being unkind came flooding back into me.

I'll give you two examples. I'd give my girls a bath every night. The soap would get in their eyes and they'd cry. I'd slap their arm or leg: You lay down and let me finish. I thought I was being a good mom. God held it as a high sin. He put me in a position of authority — and I wouldn't listen to those two little girls crying out to me.

Another example — when car seats first came out, they were hot and uncomfortable. The kids would cry and fight. I'd force them in, leave them strapped in crying on long trips, and punish them for crying. God counted it as a high sin. He heard their crying. I did not.

Ezekiel: So are you saying spanking kids is a sin?

Laurie: No. But if your heart is not right — did you do it in anger? Was it to correct them or to deal with your own anger? The Bible says if you're going to correct somebody, correct them in love. They should have had an advocate. Instead, they had a taskmaster.

Once all those sins were absorbed back into me, we started on the next stack: You're not gentle. Those same sins counted again. Then the third stack: You're not patient. They counted a third time.

Ezekiel: Because the measure that you give to somebody else, he's going to give back to you.

Laurie: All those sins came back to me. And every 10 years God puts it all in the pile — and you pay for everybody's sins again. I believe if I had processed them all, they would have lined up with the fruit of the Spirit — love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control.

11. Christians in Hell

Laurie: Now I'm going to say something that upsets people — but there are lots of Christians there, just like me. They believed in God, but they did not obey him. The number one lie was once saved, always saved. They would not repent again because there was no need. They repented on the first day they were saved — back when they were six years old at some summer camp — and they never repented again, no matter what bad things they did.

I was there because I wouldn't forgive. And I was in an area of hell where my family was. He's a family God.

You don't fight God in hell. Because in hell, you know everything. You know: this is right. This is righteous. I am evil. I don't belong in heaven. His judgments are true. When he tore his garment against me — I never once thought God made a mistake.

12. Matthew 18 — The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant

Laurie: I understood Matthew 18 so clearly when I was in hell.

In Matthew 18, there's a wonderful, benevolent king. He calls his servant to settle accounts. This servant owed him 54,750,000 coins — that is 2,142 lifetimes of debt. The servant begs: "Please be patient with me. I'll pay you back everything." The king listens — and forgives the entire debt. Just like that. 2,142 lifetimes of debt, forgiven.

Now this servant goes out, finds his brother, and says, "You owe me three days' wages." His brother says the same thing: "Please be patient with me. I'll pay you back." And this wicked servant has his brother thrown in jail — where he can't pay anything.

People found out and told the king. The king calls the servant back: "You wicked servant. Didn't I forgive you 2,142 lifetimes of debt? And you couldn't forgive your brother three days' wages?" And he put all that debt back on him.

So what did the man miss — what did I miss? When the king forgave him the debt, he gave him something else the man refused to pick up. He gave him a heart like his. When I cancel your debt, you become like me. If you took the canceled debt as just a canceled debt, you made the king a fool.

❓ Q&A — What Does This Mean For Us?

Ezekiel: So you're saying — if you accept the mercy of God, you've also accepted the responsibility to extend mercy like him?

Laurie: Yes. You become just like him. And I didn't. I took the canceled debt — thank you, God — but I was supposed to become like that king. If he forgave you your sin, now you are like him. Go forgive. Go be kind. Go be patient. Go be generous.

Ezekiel: That illuminates my understanding. When you don't forgive others, it removes his forgiveness from your life — therefore every sin you had committed is now remembered and held against your record.

Laurie: That's right. You're never getting out — because you can't pay it. There's only one acceptable sacrifice for sin. Since Adam and Eve, there was only one acceptable sacrifice: innocent shed blood. That's Jesus.

And Jesus speaks to all of us: "And so my heavenly Father will do to you also, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart." — Matthew 18:35

I learned this in hell. Matthew 18 came alive in hell — because every sin I had ever done was put back on me. Why? Because I wouldn't forgive someone else.

13. Returning from Hell — The Trauma

Laurie: This happened in 2008. In earth time — I went into hell screaming and came out screaming. The room heard both. There were 50 or 60 people there. For them it was just a minute or two.

When I came out, I saw two beings — a demon and an angel. The demon said, "If you tell anyone about this, I'm going to take you back to hell." The angel said, "You're responsible for a billion souls."

When I came back, I had no memory. I didn't know my name. I didn't know my birthday. Every good memory was taken. The only things I knew were pain, suffering, and burning. My skin was back on my body — but it was still on fire.

They called Mike. He rushed over and grabbed my arm — and I screamed, because I was receiving all of his sin through his touch. I didn't know who he was. He was a good memory, and I had none of those left. I've been married to Mike 43 years. In all that time, he has never called me a bad name. He calls me kid, sunshine, honey. And I didn't know him.

He took me home. I couldn't be in the dark — because I knew that in the shadows is where Satan hides. Mike had to put lamps everywhere. There could not be a single shadow in the house.

Our daughter came with our two grandchildren. She tried to hand me the babies. I didn't want to touch them — they were innocent and I was evil. I was yelling at this young woman who was my daughter: Get away from me. Get away from me.

Ezekiel: Did anyone think it was mental?

Laurie: Everybody thought it was mental. And it is — and it's physical.

14. Physical Consequences — No Fingerprints, Broken Eardrums

Laurie: Within 24 hours, I had burn marks like canker sores all over my mouth, up my nose and into my sinuses. My eyes were burned. My eardrums were busted. And now — I have no fingerprints. The FBI has documented that I'm one of the few people in the United States with no fingerprints. All my skin burned off of me. All the bone marrow in my bones disappeared. I couldn't make new blood.

A demon took a hot rod and hit the bottom of my feet where my arches are — with the understanding that I could never wear the shoes of peace again in hell. Today, the arches of my feet are still messed up.

I was insane the first six days. I didn't know anybody. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't eat. I just kept crying: Please don't take me back to hell. I don't know how to repent. Please God, I don't know how to repent.

On day seven, all of the memories came back — but not the emotion. I knew that was my husband. I knew those were my grandchildren. But I didn't care. There is a penalty for sin.

15. 30 Months of Silence — Then God Speaks

Laurie: It took me exactly 30 months. When I came back from hell, God had not spoken to me. I was terrified — when he finds out I'm out of hell, he's going to send me back.

After 30 months, he spoke to me. He said: "I sent you to hell because I love you."

I knew then — the only way he could save me was to send me there. I had every box checked. I was leading people to Christ, running outreaches, training evangelists. But I couldn't hear God anymore — because I wouldn't forgive. I didn't leave him any options.

16. The Answer — Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj's Word

Laurie: I eventually met Prophet Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj. He asked me why God sent me to hell. I said I didn't know. He said, "I asked God that question — and he answered."

He said: When the rich man in hell asked Abraham to send Lazarus to warn his brothers — he couldn't. Abraham said, "If he doesn't believe the prophets, he won't believe Lazarus either." Only God could answer that prayer. God sent you back to answer that man's prayer.

When he said it, I wept. God could have picked anybody. Anybody would have loved a second chance. But in his mercy, he answered that rich man's prayer: Please send somebody back.

You don't have to believe me. I'm just a woman. I sin — not like I used to — and I check every day. My day of atonement is August 28th — the day I went to hell. Mike and I take the day off and sit before God: Lord, what do I need to clean up? What do you want?

17. The Four Steps of Repentance

Laurie: So what are the four parts of repentance?

1. Agree with God that sin is sin — straight across the board. All of it. If you cherry-pick, you can't repent at all. God determines what sin is. You don't get to decide.

2. Feel godly sorrow over your sin. Not pride — sorrow. Christians should feel something for all suffering. How much more should you feel it if you're the one in sin?

3. Confess your sin to one another. Nobody likes this. But until you do, you can't get help. If you could get out of this mess by yourself, you'd already be out. Go tell somebody who is involved in your life, who loves you, who's going to help you and hold you accountable. Jesus promises: if you confess your sin to one another, you will be fervently healed.

4. Put something in place so you don't do it again. It's going to be hard. It's going to be costly. Think of it as a fence. Every time you fall in a new direction, you build a new fence. Eventually you have fences north, south, east, and west — and you're protected.

Q&A — Breaking Down Repentance

Ezekiel: This is what sanctification looks like. As you grow in the Lord, God will sift through — what is me and what is you? I got an invitation recently, the third time I'd received it, and I kept ignoring it because it wasn't organized the way I wanted. I never even took it to God. I immediately decided it wasn't him because it wasn't comfortable for me.

Laurie: We have a rule — if the Lord says go somewhere, I'm not going to give the Lord something that costs me nothing. I pay to go. I pay our rooms. I pay our food. And if we go in the hole, I didn't give God something that cost me nothing. If the Lord wants me to come, I'll come. If you can help with the cost of the airplane, great. If not, I'm coming. He is my provider.

Ezekiel: Can you break down repentance one more time for those who need to hear it?

Laurie: Repentance isn't just "turn from your sin." If that's all you say to someone, you didn't help them. They'll turn from one sin and Satan will put them in another. You have to give them the full picture — all four steps. Unless we stop sinning, we're going to hell. "Those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." — Galatians 5:21

You're not guaranteed tomorrow. If you realize right now: I'm not right with Christ — give your life to him today. It's not a prayer. It is a heart transformation. God, I am wicked. I need help. You're the only one who can help me.

18. Laurie Leads the Salvation Prayer — On Her Knees, Live On Air

Laurie got on her knees live on air and led the audience in prayer. Ezekiel joined her. The focus and the lead was entirely Laurie's.

Laurie: Everybody needs Jesus as a savior. Everybody. You may be thinking, "When I get it all cleaned up, I'll come back." You'll never come back. Now is the time.

Get on your knees. Let's repent together. It's not the words — if your heart isn't moved, it's not really salvation.

Jesus, I know that I am on the wrong side. I'm on the wrong team. I've lived my life for myself. That list — I'm guilty. I'm guilty of sexual immorality. I'm guilty of a dirty, filthy mind. I'm guilty, God, of lying, of cheating. I'm guilty. I've done the majority of the things on that list, and I know there's a huge list of sins I don't even know I've done.

Have mercy on me, God. You're the only one who can. I believe that you are the Son of God. I believe everything that's been written about you. Jesus, you are the Messiah. You're my only hope. You're the only innocent blood.

Forgive me, God. I want you to come into my life. I accept you as my Savior. I accept your ways. I agree with you that sin is sin, and I am sinful. I want to be a child of God. I want you to write my name in your book. I want to be in heaven with you forever and ever.

I pledge my allegiance to you, Jesus. You are the king. Teach me. Guide me. Lead me. Put me in a good church. Bring me a spiritual father, a spiritual mother. Help me, God. I want to give gifts for the kingdom of God. I love you. Today, I love you. Tomorrow, I want to love you more.

Laurie: If you prayed that prayer — your name is being written in the Lamb's Book of Life because of your heart posture to the King. And tomorrow, when God brings up something you do wrong — repent. Every time you find a sin, repent. This is the way to feeling clean.

19. Ezekiel Affirms the Gospel After Laurie's Prayer

After Laurie led the prayer on her knees, Ezekiel affirmed and summarized the gospel message for the audience.

Ezekiel: The gospel is this: you are a sinner and you are on your way to hell — without a shadow of a doubt. You were born in sin. But while you were still a sinner, God sent his son Jesus, who loved you and died for you as your substitutionary sacrifice. He died in your place so you could live his life. He was buried, and three days later he resurrected from the dead.

"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." — Romans 10:9

Just Jesus. Not Jesus and someone else. There is only one way to heaven. Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." — John 14:6

Repent of your sin. Believe in the gospel exclusively. Become born again. Only sons and daughters can become citizens in the kingdom. But Jesus died on that cross and made the way open for you.

"Lord, I believe that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. But God, you sent your son Jesus Christ to die for my sin. He was buried. Three days later, he resurrected from the dead. I now confess you, Lord Jesus, as my Lord, as my Savior. Come into my heart. Come into my life and wash me from my sin. Holy Spirit, I surrender my life to you. Make me born again — in Jesus' mighty name. Amen."

Ezekiel: My friend, if you said that prayer and you believe and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord — "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." — Romans 10:13. You are saved.

Write in to this channel and tell us you accepted Christ. We will help you find a local church in your area. Welcome to the family of God.

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What She Saw in Hell Could Save Someone You Love Laurie Ditto with Ezekiel Azonwu — We Need to Talk
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SECTION 1 — THE STATE OF THE WORLD — LAWLESSNESS AND THE DAYS OF NOAH
00:00:00 Laurie: Any society that human trafficks a baby a million dollars to sleep with a baby under a year old, we are a wicked and perverse generation.
Laurie: Everybody thinks they're going to heaven. Everybody.
Laurie: Somebody murdered my own brother. God says, "This guy gets to be forgiven." And those gates swung open and a hand came out of hell and it grabbed me in my spirit. And as soon as I was taken in, those gates slammed shut. And the noise that it made, that noise was worse than all of the screaming and everybody screaming. I was taken and placed in a teardrop shaped cell suspended over a lake of fire. He looked down at me and he said, "You are in hell eternally for unforgiveness. There's no water in hell." And so my whole body evaporated. And what was left was just some skin with the bones on it. You're going to scream like you've never screamed before. My eyes broke apart, but they still worked. My eardrums broke, but you hear all these people screaming unforgiveness. When it gets to play itself out, it's murder. I breathe the fire in. Now I was burning from the inside and the outside. I mean, the trauma from what I went through. I'm sorry.
[speaker unclear]: Well, if that's who God is, then I would rather be in hell. Quit talking.
Laurie: There's lots of Christians there just like me. They believed in God, but they did not obey him. The number one lie was once saved, always saved. They would not repent again because there was no need. They repented on the first day that they were saved. If he forgave you your sin, now you are like him. Go forgive. When I came back, I don't know my name. I don't know my birthday. I'm afraid I'm going back to hell. I'm yelling at this young woman that I don't know who is my daughter. Get out of my house.
Ezekiel: Did anyone think it was mental?
Laurie: Everybody thought it was mental and it's physical. And within 24 hours, I have no fingerprints. The FBI knows that I'm one of the few people in the United States don't have any fingerprints. Repent. Accept the free gift of Jesus Christ. Everybody thinks because they're in the image of God, they're a child of God. That is such a lie. You didn't lose your salvation. You walked away from it.
Ezekiel: Thank you, ma'am.
Laurie: It's evil. It's an evil thing to say once saved, always saved.
Ezekiel: Christ. He paid it all. I'm exalting Christ by saying his sacrifice is more than enough.
Laurie: You have a form of godliness, but you deny the power.
Ezekiel: The spirit that rose Christ from the dead resides in you and is being defeated.
Laurie: I had every box checked.
Ezekiel: Oh my goodness.
Laurie: I'll never be guilty of exaggerating hell because there aren't worse enough words to tell you. I don't deserve the second chance. But right now, we need to take care of this.
Ezekiel: Let's do it.
Laurie: I want to do it on my knees. Forgive me, God. I want you to just say it. I accept you as my savior. Come on, cry out the name of Jesus.
Ezekiel: And the Lord reveals himself to me.
Laurie: This is not a podcast. This is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than he does inside of church buildings.
Ezekiel: And you got to keep giving yourself over to it. It's proving it to you over and over.
Laurie: And the weightiness of your anointing, the Lord says thousands will be delivered.

SECTION 2 — LAWLESSNESS AND THE ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED LIE
00:03:16 Ezekiel: Any society that human traffics a baby a million dollars to sleep with a baby under a year old. We are a wicked and perverse generation. We are living in the days of Noah. Jesus is coming back soon. So it's like nobody knows the day or the hour, Lord. That's right. But you can know the season. And we are there. There is so much lawlessness. And when you look up what is lawlessness according to the Bible, lawlessness is rebellion. So it's directly against God.
It's not just a traffic ticket. You know, and that's not the kind of lawlessness. It is all out going against God. Let me I mean, I want to just show you some of the things. So, are you a male or a female? Now, you can't even tell when a baby's born. Is this a boy or a girl? Lawlessness. Even the law of God making them male and female is now being ripped apart. And we're considered not knowing the higher truth because what? You look at the baby and you can't tell is this a boy or a girl. For centuries, since the beginning of time, they knew that's a girl and that's a boy. But now, oh no, you have to wait and ask that child when they're 6, 7 years old, are you a girl or a boy? And if they decide they're the other one, then you pay to have a sex change happened to them, ruining their life. Lawlessness.
It is abounding. And this doctrine of demons that the Bible talks about, I believe, is the once saved, always saved lie. Because when I was in hell, the number one lie in hell is the once saved always saved. There's so many Christians in hell. People say, "Well, a Christian can't go to hell." You read your Bible. I'm making a series. I do a TV show on Angel TV called Living for Eternity. And I think it will be a seven-part series on breaking down the lie. Christians need to know how to defend themselves against their loved ones who are saying no the you know Jesus is filled with grace you don't have to repent you don't have to take this so serious listen eternity you have to have the right key to put in that door yes you were saved when you believed on the Lord Jesus Christ that's true now you need to keep that salvation so that your name is not blotted out of the lamb's book of life how do you do that you do that through sanctification and different people are growing at different levels. I get that God is the only one who can judge. But can you turn from your faith? Yes. Can you can you be considered wicked by heaven once you were saved? Yes. Can you say that this is there a place where the Bible says that the sacrifice that was given for you is now no longer the sacrifice that you can use? That means there is no sacrifice. Yes.
Can you deny Christ and then him deny you in front of his father? Yes. There are so many scriptures that back up. You need to take this way more serious. There are so many scriptures that back up that once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons. And we need to let the body of Christ know. We need to shake them. We need to shake them awake. We need to let them know that the multitudes of people, the greatest falling away is coming.
I don't want my family to be a part of that. I don't want anybody in my church to be a part of that. I don't want anybody who's said yes to Jesus to fall and go to hell because they don't even know what it is.
They Ezekiel, they don't even know. Everybody, it doesn't matter who I talk to on the streets, everybody thinks they're going to heaven. Everybody thinks they're good. Even the guy who's doing the human trafficking, he thinks he's good. I got to talk to a man who was saved out of that. It wasn't infants. It was just girls. He thought he was doing them a favor. How are you doing this woman a favor by capturing her, keeping her, keeping her drugged, abusing her, and then letting letting everybody sleep? How are you doing that? I don't want that done to my grandchildren. You don't want that happen to your daughters? How can that evil person think what he's doing is good?

SECTION 3 — THE DRUG CARTEL MAN — CAN ANYONE BE FORGIVEN?
00:08:00 Ezekiel: And what kind of punishment does God have for him? And people say, "Well, can he can he be forgiven?" He can, but if he is forgiven, then there's a total change.
Laurie: [inaudible]
Ezekiel: And he will help catch the bad guys, right?
Laurie: Well, I talked with a drug cartel man in Mexico. He came and he told me, he said, "Uh, you going to tell me I'm going to hell?" I said, "You are going to hell." How can you just tell me I'm going to hell? What about the grace and mercy of God? Look at you. You came here to kill us.
Ezekiel: You're going to hell. No, it doesn't have to be that way, right?
Laurie: You're going to hell. And he said, "What do I need to do?" So, I led him in a prayer. Not that I liked that. God makes it that easy for all of us.
Ezekiel: Mhm. Right. This man had murdered. He had those little teardrops on his face. He murdered people. Somebody murdered my brother. I have to forgive somebody who goes and does that. Somebody murdered my own brother. And yet God says, "This guy gets to be forgiven. You're forgiven so long as you stay in that lane." I said, "Now you need to go help them catch all the bad guys." He said, "If I do that, they will kill me. Look, dude, you're going to die anyway. You got no points in heaven. Show me what you've done for Jesus. It's like, well, that's works. Yeah, well, your faith has works.
And hell is a real place. You know, Ezekiel, when I went to hell.

SECTION 4 — LAURIE'S MANY VISITS TO HEAVEN AND PRIDE
00:09:36 Laurie: I had been to heaven. I'm not trying to exaggerate. I've been to heaven so many times. Doesn't make me special. Anybody can go to heaven. When you go to sleep, tell God, I want to be with you. He's in heaven. He'll bring you to heaven. And when you bother him so much, I want to be with you. I want to be with you. I need you. I need you. I want to be with you. He'll take you because you love him. You need him. So, he'll bring you. So, I've been to heaven many times. And, you know, I mean, I've been to heaven enough. It kind of made me a little puffed up, you know, like I'm all that and a bag of chips.
Ezekiel: Come on. I mean, you know, I mean, it's hard not to feel special when you've seen so many things.
Laurie: Yes.
Ezekiel: And I'm responsible for those things and I try and teach people those things. And and I can't say at the time that that puffed upness was getting in the way, you know, I tried I I prayed. I tried God help me. Don't be prideful. And maybe I was doing all right. Maybe God was keeping that. That wasn't the sin that took me to hell.
Laurie: He kept talking to me, Lord, I need you to forgive. So, I didn't have the best childhoods. Bad things happened and you know, I went to heaven. I shared that in the last episode. I went to heaven. I met God. He said, "Give me that pain." And I gave him some pain, but he needed me to forgive and give him continue to give him more and more of the pain. But I tried. I read the Bible. You know, I tried to get rid of that pain. And I remember I went to a pastor and I said, you know, I need to forgive, but I don't know how.

SECTION 5 — THE ROOT OF UNFORGIVENESS
00:11:24 Ezekiel: How do you forgive somebody who did things to you that shouldn't be done? How do you do that?
Laurie: And and he told me, he said, "Well, you give up your right to hurt somebody back." That's what forgiveness is. You give up your right to hurt somebody back. And and I grabbed that hook, line, and sinker. And it's a lie. I don't want anybody to go there. It's a lie. Sounds good on the front end, but it it's a disaster. You have no rights to say, I give up my right to hurt you back. No, I am in the same boat as them. I am a I I need Jesus to come and save me. I have no rights. He saved me the same way he's going to save everybody else. So, I got fixated on I have a right and I don't know if I'm going to use my right. And when it's really told, our heart is wicked. Above all things, it's wicked. Jesus can't trust me to judge you. So, he don't he won't I don't get to judge you. He will. But I was so fixated on I give up my right to hurt you back. But you know what? You should be hurt for what you did. What you did was wrong. You should be punished. And you go down a rabbit hole that is not ours. It makes you God. So the things that had happened to me, Jesus tried. He tried. He tried. He talked to me many times about Lori, you have to forgive. You have to forgive. Let's look at these scriptures. Let's look and I would look at them and run away. And I mean, I knew that it was important. So, I talked to Mike, you know, I was like, and and when I started telling him what had happened to me, it was so painful to him. A husband doesn't want to hear this stuff.
Ezekiel: He was like, "You're going to have to deal with this yourself."
Laurie: So, who's going to help you? I mean, it's like this deep, dark secret, and people need somebody to listen to them to find out what happened. And then all you can do is cry with them. All you can do is say, "This is wrong. God never wanted this to happen to you." All you can do is hold them and assure them that that was not God doing that to them. That was the devil. And because of free choice, some wicked person did wicked things to you. But now that I know I will be here for you. That's all that we can do. But that is enough. Put Jesus skin on and help somebody. Listen to them. You know, the Bible says, "Mourn with those who are mourning." People have so much pain inside of them. And when they tell somebody else, what do we do? You should have forgiven already. Why are you still carrying that? Because somebody didn't care enough to listen and help them. Be Jesus. Take them. Carry them. Dig the hole in the roof, lower them down to Christ so that they can be fervently healed. I didn't know what to do with it.

SECTION 6 — LAURIE'S MINISTRY BACKGROUND — ALL BOXES CHECKED
00:14:41 Laurie: And at the time, so the date is August 28, 2008. So at that time, I was assistant director of a large evangelism movement. I organized probably 60 outreaches a week. I went on probably six of those. I trained leaders. I prayed 24 hours a week. I mean, I made sure we never were laid on a tithe. We always gave offerings, you know. I mean, I thought I was an okay wife, an okay mom. I was a great grandma. You know, I thought I'm doing okay.
Ezekiel: All my boxes are checked.
Laurie: Checked. If you'd asked me if you died today, where are you going to go? I would have humbly with the blood of Jesus said, I'm going to heaven. That's what I would have said. So you can imagine this is this is my mindset. So that day there was a meeting. I was I'm I'm an evangelist. I went to the meeting and before the meeting there were multitudes of angels outside of the building pressing in. So I told my my boss at the time who was the director. I said, "Man, there's a lot of angels here today." And he's like, "What do you think they're here for?" I don't know. It must be the speaker, you know, must be you were going to have something fantastic happen today. Something unprecedented is going to happen. He said, "What do you think it is, Lori?" I said, "You know, maybe we're all going to go to heaven together." I was really excited. So, I had to leave. I left. I come back. And when I come back, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, there's even more." There were angels from everywhere coming to see what was getting ready to happen.
Now, I tell you that, and not to make me sound important. I'm telling you that because what was getting ready to happen, something like this, was unprecedented. And I believe that because I am one of God's favorite people. I am I am a warrior. I have all these keys. I've seen things. I've watched God I've prayed prayers. Not that it was me, but I've watched the power of God flow through me and paralyzed people not be paralyzed anymore. Hallelujah. I've seen blind eyes open, deaf ears hear. I haven't raised the dead yet, but it's coming.
Ezekiel: Mhm.
Laurie: I've seen miracles. All kinds of miracles. I know the power of my God. I am his favorite. He saved me. He set me apart. He gave me a calling. He gave me a task. He lets me talk to people. I get to share the gospel that I'm not ashamed of. I mean, I'm somebody important in the kingdom. And so are you. And on this day, I was standing at the back working the sound machine because that guy was sick. And we're singing a song about the lost. One of my favorite songs is God saved the souls of the lost.

SECTION 7 — THE GATES OF HELL OPEN
00:17:50 Laurie: And the front of the room opened up. So, two realities came together. Usually happens when there's a vision getting ready to happen. You see the vision start to come and it kind of overlays over the current picture and you choose. Do you want to continue to see what God is showing you or not? And I always want to see, but this one I wasn't given a choice. I did not want to see. I didn't want to see what was happening. I saw the gates of hell. You will know them when you see them. It is a place that is separated from God. You will know them. And as I I had my eyes closed, we were singing. I felt the heat come into the room. That's the first thing I felt the heat and my brain right away felt that this heat was so intense that a bomb went off. I remember thinking a bomb went off and I opened up my eyes and then I saw the gates of hell. And when I saw them, I knew them. I knew this isn't this isn't something good. You don't want anything to do with this. Get as far away. You're too close to the line, right? You know, people talk about you can fall on the other side. This is too close.
Ezekiel: Yeah, this is the gates of hell. I'm supposed to be fighting for souls to come away from the gates of hell. There's no soul there, just me.
Laurie: And those gates swung open and a hand came out of hell and it grabbed me in my spirit. And it began dragging me from the back of the room to the front of the room where those gates were. And I mean, hot, terrible smell coming out of there. Screams are coming out of there. I didn't want to go. I'm trying to throw myself back. I have to I have to get away from this hand, but you couldn't. It had me. And so, it took me this way. I wasn't standing up. It took me this way into past the gates of hell. And so, I'm 5'5. And that gate, that that opening is bigger. It's 6 7 ft. It's thicker than how how tall I am. It's It is a wall. And you can't penetrate through it. They're not coming out. You can't just get through this wall. And as soon as I was taken in, those gates slammed shut. And the noise that it made is probably the most terrifying noise. That noise was worse than all of the screaming. And everybody's screaming. And if you've ever heard somebody scream, we don't hear that here in America. I mean, we we Mike and I, we were in a in a hospital in India and they don't medicate the people in the pain like they do here. So, you can hear these people. I mean, it's unnerving, right? You hear somebody in that much pain. We don't know because we don't hear that. But Jesus told us where there would be weeping and nashing of teeth, but we don't know what that sounds like because we medicate it. It is a very painful sound. And it's it's unnerving hearing it.

SECTION 8 — INSIDE HELL — THE TEARDROP CELL
00:21:01 Laurie: And I was taken and placed in a teardrop shaped cell all by myself, suspended over a lake of fire. It was bubbling and I was laid down in this cell looking up and I I saw God the Father. He looked down at me and he said, "You are in hell eternally for unforgiveness."
Ezekiel: Oh my.
Laurie: There was no there was there was not another minute. Jesus had tried. He had tried and tried and tried and tried. Lord, you have to forgive. You have to forgive. You have to forgive. Well, I don't give up my right. I don't give up my right to forgive those people. They deserve to feel a little bit of something. They deserve they deserve I'm going to judge them. You know, right? If you don't forgive them, you're judging them. There was no doover. And suddenly, you know, I mean, the terrible things that happened there as ego, you know, I've had so many nightmares about that. I wrote a book about it and I'm sure sitting here I am not going to go through all of it but people need to know what it's like. The flame in hell is not like the flame in heaven. It's not like the flame on earth. There are three different fires. The fire in hell is is black. I'm not talking about the color of a person's skin or the color of a paint. I'm talking about a blackness that is filled with evil, a darkness that the Lord would call dark. Sin hides in darkness. This is the color of the flames in hell. And when that flame burns you, then that part of you is forever dark. It can't come back to life.

SECTION 9 — THE FLAMES, THE BODY AND THE TORMENT
00:22:53 Laurie: There's no water in hell. And so my whole body evaporated. And what was left with just some skin with the bones on it cuz we're mostly water. It was gone. It was such an excruciating pain. The Lord when he said, "You're in hell eternally for unforgiveness," he did something that was so painful. Probably the most painful thing in hell that happened was he reached up to the top. Reached up to the top of his garment and he ripped it across his chest. Up till that point, I'd never seen that done. I'd never read it in the Bible. I don't know what it meant. But having seen it, I knew exactly what it meant. I'm done with you. I'm done with you. How can this be? I got all my boxes checked. I went to hell because I would not forgive. My eyes broke apart. My skin burned and dripped off of me. You're going to scream like you've never screamed before when you get there. And everybody's screaming. You know, everything works. My my eyes broke apart, but they still worked. My eard drums broke, but you hear all these people screaming. I mean, it is it it is so upsetting. And your heart comes alive. And what was in it was hatred because ultimately unforgiveness leads to hatred. That's what it is.
Ezekiel: When you're when you're all done, it comes to murder.
Laurie: Unforgiveness. The reason why you can't have it is because when it gets to play itself out, it's murder. And a murderer cannot enter the kingdom of God. And that's who you are when you're filled with unforgiveness. You don't care how you slander that person. You don't I mean, in everything, I mean, these fires twisted me. They beat me. It was like a belt causing my body to twist and turn and every single bone in my body was broken and everything extended. Everything was so painful and you just keep throwing up because you're breathing in air that is so poisonous. It was the worst torture. And then all my memories, all these good memories, it was like they came together and they were gone. Memories like the birth of our children, you know, the birth of our couple grandbabies at that time, my mom laughing. All those memories, they were gone. And the only memories that were left for me was the ones of great pain.
Ezekiel: Why didn't on the earth?
Laurie: Yeah. You know, and that's the only thing you're going to live over and over and over and over is the pain. And I mean the torture I was going through, I breathed the fire in. I tried to calm down. Now I was burning from the inside and the outside. And once you're burned, it it it can never be alive again. And you you change shapes. You don't get to look like I look now because this is the image of God. The people in hell look like demons. The the demons of hell, the angels changed their shape. They don't look like the angels of heaven anymore, but are a different color. You know, on TV, they make those white and then the other ones are red. No, they filled with this darkness and they're like a blob of cancer. And that's what the people look like. You look like demons. You all look the same. This separated place from God where there is no light, there is no love, there is no life, there's no water, there's nothing good. And everybody is suspended and burning. And a time is coming where all those suspensions are going to fall into that fire. And it is the worst place ever. Ever. I mean, the trauma from what I went through. The trauma of what I experienced was is just I'll tell you about it in a minute. I mean, I'm sorry.

SECTION 10 — SINS RETURNED — EVERY 10 YEARS
00:27:20 Laurie: When I caught up, I'm going to say it was like a union job. There's no way to explain this because when I came in, so hell moves in increments of 10 years. Every 10 years, it crunched and and it was everybody gets to participate in the same pain. So, how do I explain that? So whatever you've done wrong and whatever is your penalty for sin and whatever I've done wrong and whatever is my penalty for sin, you get 100% of yours and 100% of mine. It's not thrown together and divided. It's all thrown together and everyone so you're going to pay for everybody's sins. Jesus went there and paid for everybody's sins. And when you go there, you're going to pay for everybody's sins. Why? He already did. But if that's what you choose, this is what you get. You know, that place was created for Satan and the demons. It wasn't created for us. But it brings a wicked glee to Satan that the objects of God affection are there because Satan knows he's already lost. The only thing that he can do to hurt God is to trick us. And then we go there. And we've all sinned. So everybody's going there except for the ones who understand repentance and keep walking with Jesus, right? Well, I understood repentance, but I wouldn't do it. I would not forgive. So after everything had caught up, I mean, my mind was in torture. Everything was in torture. So my mind was in torture. My whole body is on fire. The the fire, you just pick up your hand, it's just black fire. I mean, it's burning you. You're screaming, twisting, everything is hurting.
Ezekiel: There's no way. There is no way anybody can say they would rather be in hell.
Laurie: If that's who God is, then I would rather be in hell.
Ezekiel: Right,
Laurie: Idiot. Quit talking. You know, quit talking because you talk terrible. You talk like a demon. So, so the sins came into my cell. They were sins that had been done against me. And you could count them. Think about think about an index card. So, they were stacked like index cards. And maybe you could count them. Maybe there was 500, 5,000, maybe maybe 5 million. Doesn't matter. You could count them.
Ezekiel: Mhm.
Laurie: And and God reviewed each one and the pain that came in my heart because I didn't forgive. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, because you only keep all these bad memories. If I had just forgiven that countable stack. I wouldn't be there. So, like the first one was, you know, I'm going to say them. I'm not sure of the order that they went. So they were you're not kind, you're not gentle, you're not patient. So the I know the last one was you're not patient. So I don't remember, but let's say kind. So then what came in was all the sins that I've done because when Jesus forgave me of my sin originally, he separated all that sin away from me. What did he do with it? He put it in hell. There's only one place where God remembers things no more. Otherwise, if it's around, he'll remember it, right? There's one place, the place of being separated from God, and that place is hell. So, all of my sin when God separated it from me went to hell. So, you know, you're not kind. So, all of these examples of me being unkind, here they are. And they filled the place. You could not count them. There were so many of them. They were stuck outside. How many times have I been unkind and God knows? And so because I'm in hell, all these sins get to come back to me. They're mine. They belong to me and they came to live inside of me. It was so excruciating and painful having these sins come back. I want to tell you about a couple sins so that this will make sense. I wanted them to be clean. So I used to give them a bath every night, wash their hair. Well, the soap would get in their eyes. No matter how well I did it, and you know, I buy baby shampoo and everything. It's not like I ever squirted the stuff in my eye to see if it burns, but it says it won't burn. Gets it in your eye. They're crying. I got to get out. They won't lay back down. So now I have to slap their arm or slap their leg. You lay down and let me get I'm thinking I'm being a good mom. God held it as a high sin because he put me in a place of authority. Here are two little girls crying and you won't listen to them. You're not even going to slow down. You're going to do what you want to do. You're going to manipulate them. You're going to do what you want to do to them. And he said that is not the kind of parent I gave them. That was not the parenting that he wanted for them. And he counted it as a high sin of manipulation underneath authority.
Ezekiel: Hold on. So, are you saying spanking kids is a sin?
Laurie: No. But if your heart is not right, did you spank them in your anger? Was it to correct them or was it to deal with your anger?
Ezekiel: Oh my goodness.
Laurie: Right? I mean, you're allowed to correct people, but the Bible says if you're going to correct somebody, then you correct them in love. And how much more are your own children that God put you put them under me. He put these little girls under me. They should have had an advocate. Instead, they just had some taskmaster like, "You will be clean. Your hair will be clean. And I don't care if you feel that the soap is burning your eyes." And they cried out and he heard them. And I did not hear them.
Ezekiel: Wow.
Laurie: Day after day after day. So, that was first. Let me give you another one. There's a lot. But we chose, Mike and I chose to tell these two because they tell on me and it doesn't tell on anybody else, you know, of what other people how I hurt other people. But when when the kids were small, they came they first came out with car seats. Back then, they weren't very good. All rubber, hot, whatever. And it would burn the kids when you put them in it. But you have to sit in this car seat. They went from not having no car seat to now they got to be in a car seat. Strap them in and you know they didn't want to get in it. They would cry and fight and whatever. What do I do? I slap their hand. I slap their leg. You will get in that car seat. And they want out and you know we'd travel long distance just leave them strapped in this car and they cry and cry and cry and cry. And I would punish them for crying. Stop crying. And God counted it as a high sin. I wouldn't listen to their crying, but God did. And there were all kinds like this, uncountable. And he played them all back for me to see. You're not kind. Once all those sins were absorbed back into me, we started on the next stack. The next stack was, "You're not gentle." Now replay those two things again. It counted, "You're not kind." But now he counted them a second time. You're not gentle. So you can imagine I'm double dipping, right? I mean, I got the sins from the first time. No, I got them. God counted them again. Now the third stack. You're not patient. And those two sins that I just told you counted a third time. You're not patient. We're not like him.
Ezekiel: If I had just forgiven the ones of sins that people had done against me, I would not have picked all those sins back up again because the measure because the measure that you give to somebody else, he's going to give it to you and all those sins came back to me.

SECTION 11 — CHRISTIANS IN HELL
00:36:09 Laurie: Now imagine all my sin and you have all your sin and every 10 years God puts it all in the pile and now we pay for everybody's sin again. And I could see you can see time it was different than here. Now I'm going to tell you something that people this upsets people that they're Christians there but there's lots of Christians there just like me. They believed in God but they did not obey him. The number one lie was once saved always saved. They would not repent again because there was no need. They repented on the first day that they were saved. They repented back when they were six years old at some summer camp. And now they never have to repent again, no matter what bad things they've done. I was there because I wouldn't forgive. And there's some people there because of whatever they're there for, sexual immorality or or adultery or or drunkenness or lying. A lot of people were there because they wouldn't repent. Once saved, always saved. That was the biggest one. But there were categories. And I was in a category I was in an area of hell where my family was. He's a family god. And I hated those people. Why did you live like that? Why didn't somebody come and tell me that this place is real? Why didn't it it it was unthinkable.
Now I was in hell. I processed I processed three. And that three took me 70 years. I was in hell 70 years. And people are like, "Now wait a minute. How can this be?" Because God owns time. He put me in hell 70 years earlier. Let me process it. Right? And on the minute that he took me out of hell, I had only processed these three stacks of sins coming back to me. And I believe that if I had processed them all, I really believe this, they would have lined up with the fruit of the spirit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control. And the one that I think I would have reaped the worst in would be self-control. Because I wasn't. There was no self-control. And I think those two sins that I told you would have counted in all of them, he would have counted them again and again and again and again. We're not like him if we understood the power of love. Love will cover all of those things and give us reward in heaven.
Ezekiel: So here I was right here. Man. You don't you don't fight God in hell like how can this be?
Laurie: Because you know everything in hell. You know this is right. This is righteous. I am evil. I don't belong in heaven. I don't belong to be with God. And it is righteousness. His judgments are true. When he tore his gown against me, I don't want anything more to do with you. This is true. This is right. I never never did I think God made you made a mistake. Please get me out of here. I mean, you want to you want to come up with that. Well, God, you didn't know. He tried to help me. He sent ways to help me. He sent the word of God to help me. And you know, I understood Matthew 18. So clearly when I was in hell.
Ezekiel: Oh, at the 1815.

SECTION 12 — MATTHEW 18 — THE PARABLE OF THE UNFORGIVING SERVANT
00:39:56 Laurie: This is really important that people see it from what? Why? Why is this true? So, in Matthew 18, I'm just going to I'll tell the story. I mean, you can go back and read it, but I'll just tell you what it says. In Matthew 18, it says there's this wonderful, benevolent king. And he calls his servant to him and he says, "Okay, let's settle our accounts. Let me look at your account. Oh, you owe me. I I have it written down. I did I did a lot of research when I came back from heaven.
Ezekiel: A merciless servant.
Laurie: So, this servant owed him 54,750,000 coins. That is 2,142 lifetimes of debt. A lifetime being 70 years. So, this guy was so much in debt. You know, we say, well, it was a debt so big he couldn't pay it. Well, how much? Maybe he could pay how much? Well, 2,142 lifetimes of debt. So, we can for sure say, "Yeah, you could never pay that back." I don't know how that guy got that far in.
Ezekiel: I don't know what like he borrowed million multi- trillion dollars, right?
Laurie: So, he this dude is he is so far in debt. So, this is what he says to this king. Oh, good king, please be patient with me. I'll pay you back everything. Right here. We have to assume either the king is an idiot because he just told you how much you owe me. The king is an idiot or something else is happening.
Ezekiel: Yep.
Laurie: So the king listens to this man. Please, please, please have mercy on me. Have mercy on me. And the king does. Your debt is forgiven. Come on. 2,142 lifetimes of debt just forgiven. Just like that. Now this servant goes out, finds another servant, his brother. We're going to call it his brother. And he says, "Hey, you owe me some money."
Ezekiel: And how much was his?
Laurie: That was three days wage.
Ezekiel: Oh.
Laurie: So we get fixated on the money, right? But he says to he says he's like, "You owe me you owe me three days wage. Give me my money." And his brother says to him, "Same thing this dude said to the king. Oh, please be patient with me.
Ezekiel: Could not remember.
Laurie: And I'll pay you back everything. Which he really could have. He really could have given back. He could have went and bought
Ezekiel: That was possible his was a possible debt.
Laurie: Yeah, he could have paid it back. Yeah. Please be patient with me. And this wicked servant now has his brother thrown in jail, which how can you pay for anything when you're in jail? You can't. You cannot pay anything when you're in jail. Well, it says people found out and the people went and told the king and the king calls that servant back and he says to him, "You wicked servant." Now, wait a minute. Didn't I forgive you 2,142 lifetimes of debt? Now, I'm going to put something here that's not in the scripture. Did the king say to this servant, "You think I'm a fool? Because you didn't get the other part, you must think I'm a fool." He says, "So you because you think I'm a fool, I'm going to put all that debt back on you and you going to go to jail until you pay it back, which will be never." So what was it? What was it that the man missed that I missed that so many people miss? If you miss this, you're going to go to hell.
Ezekiel: Catch it. Say it.
Laurie: When the king forgave him, he gave him, yes, the cancelled debt, but he gave him something else that the man refused to pick up. He gave him a heart like his. When I cancelled your debt, you become like me. When I cancel your debt, you have my heart. If you took the canceled debt just as a canceled debt, then you made the king a fool.
Ezekiel: Okay. So you're saying if you accept the cancelled debt, if you accept the mercy of God, you also have accepted the responsibility to extend mercy like him.
Laurie: Yes. Yes. You become just like him. You become like him. And I didn't. I took I took the canceled debt. I took that in my life. Thank you, God. Here's my pain. I remember in the first episode I said God wanted my pain. I'm like here take it and he did and it changed my life forever. Hallelujah. But I was supposed to be like that. If one of two things either you become like that king or he's a fool for cancelling your debt. Too many people are running around making Jesus a fool. If he forgave you your sin now you are like him. Go forgive. Go be kind. Go be patient. Go be generous. And so it says then let's finish. Let's finish this. The king put all that debt back on that man. And then Jesus speaks speaking to all of us. He says, "And so my heavenly father will do to you also, Lori." Let's put your name here. And so my heavenly father will do to you also,
Ezekiel: Ezekiel. If you do not forgive your brother from your heart. Oh man. So what is it? If you have been forgiven by this great king and you make him a fool, all of it will be put back on you. I learned this in hell. But if you become like this king and you know he gave him a little test, right? The test was right there. He was forgiven 2,142 lifetimes of death. He comes out. Same situation. The dude could have said, "Yeah, you owe me three days wage. Okay, I give you three years to pay me back or go get the money, go borrow the money, whatever. You need to pay me back in 6 hours." He didn't give the guy an opportunity at all to make it right. We look at the money and think it was about the money. It's never about the money. You cannot serve both God and money.
Laurie: Come on.
Ezekiel: It had nothing to do with the money. It had to do with the heart of the king. You stomped on it. You acted like it's not important. And everybody who walks around with unforgiveness, you didn't pick up his heart. You took your own canceled debt. You made him a fool. And you will go to hell for unforgiveness. This is so serious. It's so serious. I learned this in hell. I didn't learn this in any of the trips to heaven. I learned this in hell. Matthew 18 came alive in hell because every sin that I had ever done was put back on me. Why? Because I wouldn't forgive somebody else.
Laurie: Oh my goodness.
Ezekiel: I was in hell eternally for unforgiveness. Why? Because I'm not like the king.

Q&A — WHAT DOES MATTHEW 18 MEAN FOR US?
Ezekiel: Wait, you know that just illuminated my understanding and it makes so much sense because you said the scripture says if you don't forgive others, neither will my heavenly father in heaven forgive you. When I used to think about that, I was I was thinking, "Oh, okay. If I don't forgive this person for this, then the Lord won't forgive me for the last thing I did or the same thing."
Laurie: Or the same thing.
Ezekiel: But what you're saying is it now removes his forgiveness from off of my life. Therefore, every sin I had committed is now remembered and held against my record.
Laurie: That's right. You're never getting out. You're never getting out because you can't pay it. There's only one acceptable sacrifice for sin. This is what everybody needs to know.
Ezekiel: Come on.
Laurie: We talked about the cross in the last episode. We talked about the blood of Jesus. Since the beginning of time, when Adam and Eve sinned, there was only one acceptable sacrifice for sin. Innocent shed blood. So this innocent shed blood, the Lord kept telling them right from the beginning, I'm going to send my savior. I'm going to send the savior. I'm going to send the savior. And as a promisary note, the Jewish people know this. As a promisary note, once a year on the day of atonement, they sacrificed a perfect lamb. So all those people when they died, Ezekiel, they went to to shil. They were on the side with Abraham. So they died and they were there, but they weren't sentenced to hell yet. So people, they don't understand these terminologies. What happened to that? So when people died, they had given this promisary note. I know I'm guilty. Here's this innocent shed blood. It's not real yet because it was just of a of a lamb. They died. They went here on Abraham's bosom side of hell. So now Jesus Jesus went to hell and he took all those people who had given that promisary note because they were looking for that savior. The savior hadn't come yet. And Jesus took them out of Abraham's bosom. And there is no more part of Abraham's bosom in hell. That part left when Jesus took all those people who had done the promisary note. They they were all they're all out. Now there's just one place shal hell the burning place the place where the rich man you know that Jesus told the story how the rich man is over here in this side and he speaks father Abraham son Lazarus to go tell my brother tell him to get me a drink of water we can't we can't come over can't come over tell him to go see my brother now this one I'm going to tell you this is my opinion but this is what I really think haven't been there. That wicked man didn't say, "Go tell him to warn my brother because he loved his brother." He didn't love him. You don't love anything in hell. You're filled with hate. He wanted Lazarus, "Go warn my brother because he's worse than me." And when that brother comes, I have to pay for my sin and his sin. That's what I I really believe that because the guy wasn't concerned about his family on that side of hell. Every good memory was gone.
Laurie: I understood hell is a real place. There are more people, Ezekiel, in hell than heaven. So, I've been to both places. I can't tell you the exact number, but I can tell you the numbers of people. There are more people in hell than in heaven. And there is coming on the earth a great falling away. That means those people who are destined to go to heaven are going to fall and go to hell. That's what that means. Don't be one of those people. You have to take your Christian walk more serious than anything else you've ever taken in your life because the king who made you like him. Do we look like him? We need to we need to not just say what John the Baptist said.
Ezekiel: Say it.
Laurie: You got to do it. I must decrease so he can increase. Or you're going to go to hell. It's real. It's a real place. Jesus warns us about it. It wasn't made for us.
Ezekiel: It was made for Satan and the demons. But too many people are headed there. Too many people are headed there. And it's like, you know, how do you deal with this? So this happened to me in 2008 in an instant. I went into hell. Earth time. I went into hell. I came out of hell. I went in screaming. I came out screaming. The room only heard the screaming.

SECTION 13 — RETURNING FROM HELL — THE TRAUMA
00:51:54 Laurie: So there was 50 people, 60 people in there. They heard me go into hell. They heard me come out of hell.
Ezekiel: And for them, how much time was that?
Laurie: Just a scream. So a minute, two minutes, my the the man who was running the meeting says his side of the story is everybody was singing. All of a sudden I start yelling. Not just yelling like hey, hey, hey, like worship. I am now blood curling, screaming. Everybody froze for a minute. Nobody knew what to do. Nobody knew what to do. I'm the assistant director, right? He went from the front to the back. It wasn't a big room. Maybe as big as this room. He goes from the front of the room to the back of the room where I am. I am in a daysaze. And he begins shaking me.
Ezekiel: So you you you frozen like
Laurie: Yeah. I didn't leave the room. I didn't disappear. My body was right there. Whatever. But when he shook me, I I was back. I saw two beings. I saw a demon and an angel. And they both spoke to me. The demon said, "If you tell anyone about this, I'm going to take you back to hell." The angel spoke and he said, "You're responsible for a billion souls." Now, let me break that down because that upsets people. The Bible says, "If you lift the name of Jesus high, he will draw men and women to himself." So, the Lord wants me to go and lift the name of Jesus high. Mike explains it like, you know, if you're the quarterback of the football team, you keep looking at the Super Bowl. I'm going to Super Bowl. I'm going to Super Bowl. I'm going and you lead your team there. God wants a billion souls. He wants me to lift his name up, tell people what happened until a billion souls come to the saving knowledge of Jesus. I can't do anything. I couldn't save myself. I'm not pretending that anything that I do can save anybody. However, if you understood where you're going and everybody's going there, everybody sinned, nobody has any of this innocent blood. It's only Jesus. If you didn't give your life to him, if you're a Hindu, a Buddhist, if you're if you're a Mormon, a Jehovah Witness, you're not going to heaven. You need to know this Jesus of this Bible, the real Christian Jesus.
Ezekiel: You have to know him. Even the Jewish people don't know him.
Laurie: Come on.
Ezekiel: Even though they're the wonderful people who have carried the truth of our Messiah, it's their Messiah. You have to know Jesus to go to heaven. And it has to be the right Jesus of the Bible.
Laurie: Oh, now that's one, right?
Ezekiel: Mhm.
Laurie: You know which false person are you following? What idolatry? You know, the Bible says, "Who has bewitched you?"
Ezekiel: Galatians. Yeah.
Laurie: This is so serious. It's It's what we should all be talking about.
Ezekiel: Come on.
Laurie: Everybody needs to be talking about this. Be sure. Are you saved? What do you do when you go into a room and you find out somebody's not saved? I was at a dinner one time. I'm sitting there. I asked the man sitting next to me. It's the brother of the host. I said, "Hey, what's your what's your salvation story look like?" And he goes, "I'm not saved. They're getting ready to bring the food out. Put on the table." I said, "Wait, put the food back in the oven. Your brother's not saved." And everybody's like, "Well, let's eat." No, don't eat. This man is not saved. And so we I talked to him about Jesus, explained to him about hell. I mean, I don't care that the green beans get cold. And the man gave his life to Christ. Okay, now let's eat a celebration meal. Why? Why? Why are you sitting here when your own brother is not saved, right? I mean, come on. When people are not saved, what did you do? Did you say something? You know, we go out to eat, we talk to the waitress, it's like, she doesn't know Jesus. I'm like, "You need to know the Savior. You got to give him something. Give him something. Are you really the Lord's? Are you really caring about what he's caring about?" Cuz he's caring about them. There's only one people group. The one he died for. The one that's going to go to hell without him.

SECTION 14 — PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES — NO FINGERPRINTS, BROKEN EARDRUMS
00:56:24 Laurie: And when I came back, I was so different. You remember I said beforehand, I was like, I'm his favorite. Man. I came back. So I I went in screaming. I come out screaming. They're shaking me. I hear the two beings speak to me. Then I see the men who is my boss. You know, he's my neighbor. I know him. I have no idea who he is. I'm looking at a stranger. I don't know any of these people. I don't know my name.
Ezekiel: I don't know my birthday.
Laurie: I don't know anything. Every good memory was taken away from me. The only thing I know is pain and suffering and burning. And I'm looking, my skin is back on my body, but it is still on fire. Every part about me is on fire. I am in so much pain. They don't know what to do. I won't stop screaming. So, they call Mike. You have to come.
Ezekiel: Yeah.
Laurie: You have to come. Something's happened to your wife. You have to come. And he's like, what? I'm in a meeting. I have an important meeting. Can she wait? They're like, "Uh." And so my boss is telling him, they're they're friends, you know, we're next door neighbors. He says to him, he's like, "Mike, you have to come."
Ezekiel: Yeah.
Laurie: Come. So Mike gets there and he's upset, right? He's upset because nobody told him anything. And you know, he left this important meeting and he walks in. I don't know who he is.
Ezekiel: No,
Laurie: I don't know who he is. He looks at me. He comes up to me. I am distraught. I'm afraid I'm going back to hell. I don't know how I got out. My thought is that when God realizes that I'm out, he's going to put me right back. I It's where I belong. It's what I deserve. I don't know who he is because he's a good memory. You know, I've been married to Mike now all these years, and it will be 40 three years coming up soon. And in all my time of being married to Mike, he has never one time Ezekiel called me a bed name. He's never Mike has called me, he calls me kid, he calls me sunshine, he calls me honey. If he's upset, he calls me Lori and Ditto. But you know, he's never used he's never he didn't grow up with that. He's never done that to me.
Ezekiel: Oh man,
Laurie: It's so beautiful. It it covers me. It makes me safe. I don't know him. I don't know him. And so now this upsets him. He Yeah. I don't know him. So he grabs a hold of my arm and with all of his anger that's in him.
Ezekiel: Yes. All of the sin, unknown sin that he doesn't know.
Laurie: He grabs a hold of me. My spirit is so wide open. Now I'm screaming because he's touching me and I'm getting all of his sin. And you know the Bible says don't lay your hands on somebody very quickly.
Ezekiel: Yes.
Laurie: There's a reason why you don't want that person's junk.
Ezekiel: No.
Laurie: And Mike is touching me and now I'm screaming. I am distraught. He doesn't know what to do. He's trying to get me to go with him. Nobody is protecting me. I have to go with this guy that I don't know. I I I It's daylight. I haven't seen daylight in 70 years. My eyes are burned. My nose is burned. Everything is burned on me. Mike puts me in the car.
Ezekiel: When you say burned, for the audience watching, you mean physically burned or this is what you perceived in your
Laurie: At first, it was what I perceived.
Ezekiel: Okay. Okay.
Laurie: He takes me home. I have no idea. I can't remember my home. We walk in this house and and it's dark. I start telling him, "Turn the lights on. Turn the lights on. I I can't be in the dark. I put me back outside in the sun because I know that in the shadows is the darkness and Satan is always in the shadows. So there couldn't be a shadow. We had to borrow lamps. Mike had to put a lamp everywhere. There could not be a shadow in my house.
Ezekiel: No way.
Laurie: I was so afraid. You were really traumatized. And then he brings our daughters. Come, come, come. Mom needs you. So our oldest daughter came with our two grandbabies. She tries to hand me these babies. I don't want to touch them. They're innocent and I am evil. Why would I transfer all my yuck onto those kids? I don't know her. I don't know those children.
Ezekiel: Oh, you you didn't.
Laurie: But I don't want I don't I I'm yelling at this young woman that I don't know who is my daughter. Get out of my house. Not that I say get out of my house. Get away from me. Get away from me. Get away from me. Freaked her out.
Ezekiel: Did anyone think it was mental? Everybody thought it was mental and it was. I mean, it is.
Laurie: It is mental and it's physical. And within 24 hours, I had burn marks like canker sores all over my mouth. I had canker sores or that type of sore all up my nose into my sinuses. My eyes were burned like if you flash them when you're welding. I did that once. So, they were like that. My eardrums were busted. Not that I realized it at the time, but now I have no fingerprints.
Ezekiel: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You have no fingerprints? What does that mean?
Laurie: There are no fingerprints on my hand. They're smooth. So, the FBI knows that I'm somebody now who doesn't have fingerprints because, you know, you have to give your fingerprints and I don't have any. So, I I went in and they have they have documented I have no fingerprints. I'm one of the few people in the United States don't have any fingerprints. Where did they go? I I'm telling you, all my skin burned off of me. All the bone marrow in my bones disappeared. I was so physically sick. So, the bone marrow, I've seen all kinds of experts because I can't I couldn't make new blood. It was gone. I mean, it's real. My eyes are broke apart. I wear special glasses with all kinds of prisms trying to trick my eyes to work together. My eard drums, they were broken. All the drums through were so broken.
Ezekiel: Are you saying this? This is what you felt or you
Laurie: Actually happened. It manifests. Now, now this is the problem. When I was in hell, a demon took a stick, a hot rod, and he came and he hit the bottom of my feet where my arches are. And when he did that, he broke my feet with an understanding. I understood I can never wear the shoes of peace again in hell. So today, the arches of my feet are very messed up.
Ezekiel: Really?
Laurie: Still. So people are like, well, I don't believe I look, you don't have to believe me. Although I have all these symptoms, it's real. There are still consequences for what God had to do to correct me. I'm so grateful.
Ezekiel: Oh man,
Laurie: These are just momentary light afflictions compared to somebody burning forever in hell. And within I was insane the first six days. I didn't know anybody. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't eat. I couldn't I couldn't anything. I I would just Please don't take me back to hell. Please. Please, God. I don't know how to repent. I don't know how to repent. Please God, take me back to hell. I don't I I don't take me back to hell. I don't know how to repent. I don't know how to repent. And I knew now I knew how many sins because most people don't know the sins. The you have the sins of omission and the sins of commission. And the commission ones are the ones that you've done that you feel that feeling like, "Ah, that was bad."
Ezekiel: Yes.
Laurie: But you have the sins of omission that God says you're guilty even if you don't know it. You know, I didn't know that slapping my daughter's hand in her leg, getting the soap out of her, I didn't know he counted that as a sin. I didn't know that. I know it now. So, I created a notebook. I put a three ring binder together and I I wrote on all of these college ruled paper how many sins I could remember. And then I had to do business with God. How do I how do I forgive this? And how do I make this one right? And how do I forgive this? I had to go to all kinds of people and say, "Would you please forgive me? I did this to you because," and here's what you have to if you're going to if you're going to ask for forgiveness, then you need to tell them why you did it.
Ezekiel: Why did you do it?
Laurie: You can't say it and then lie about the reason. Right. I did this because I was trying to manipulate you. And you know, whether they forgive you or not, it's not about them forgiving you. It would be great if they forgave you. But even if they don't, you cannot get a man's forgiveness and not God's forgiveness. You must get God's forgiveness. You should be like him. And my whole life. So, so six days I wasn't saying I didn't know who I was. And my neighbor, my boss's wife, she sat with me and she would hold my hand and she'd just pray in tongues over me. She would just pray in tongues and pray in tongues. And she would ask God, "Please bring back her memories." So on day seven, all of the memory came back, but not the emotion. So I know that's my husband. I know that's my daughter. I know those are my grandchildren. But I don't I don't I don't care. I I can tell you the day that they put the babies in my arms. They It was such an emotional day, but there is no emotion now. There is a penalty for sin. It doesn't matter. I mean, it doesn't it matters, but in God's goodness, he he gave me back the memories. I know who I am. I know I know who my family is, and I and I know I know all these things. And I know what they did to me now. You know, like if like if you cut me off on the road, I know that you did that, but I don't have a problem with you now. I don't have a problem. It's like I choose to forgive you because God is not a fool. Let's come back to Matthew 18. And so my heavenly father will do to you also, Lori, if you don't forgive your brother from your heart. It's so serious. If you won't forgive, so if you're carrying unforgiveness in your heart, you have no idea how much sin is in you. The Bible says if if the light that's in you is darkness, then you have no idea how dark that darkness is. This is true. If you're carrying this unforgiveness, I think this thing is the kingpin.
Ezekiel: Come on, say it. Because at church, I come into churches and it's the number one thing that causes everybody to have to get to the altar and repent because the left side of the church doesn't like the right side of the church. And you know, this stuff is even in families.
Laurie: Oh, talk about it. Who are you that the king, the only one with innocent blood, forgave you and now you're going to make him out to be a fool? You're going to be the servant that goes out, finds your brother, owes you three days wage, and you throw him in jail. You want God to put that one in prison. You want God to send that one to hell cuz you won't forgive him. You make the king out to be a fool. And that's what I did. And hell is a real place. And it's eternal. And there shouldn't be a person in there. God made a way. And in heaven, he has a room for every single person. You know, I visited rooms of people, beautiful rooms, all set up. They're so beautiful. And I said, "Jesus, they're going to love this when they get here." He said, "They're never coming. They're never coming. These people already chose hell. They already chose their sin. And those rooms will stay there for when your family comes to be able to see that God intended for you to come to heaven and be with him. He always intended for us to come to heaven. There isn't anyone righteous except Jesus Christ. There isn't anybody that we can count on except Jesus Christ. He's the only one who wears. He's a good king. He wears a crown of thorns still today. That is his crown of choice. Repent, accept the free gift of Jesus Christ, and become his child. Become a child of God. Because you know, Ezekiel, everybody thinks because they're in the image of God, they're a child of God. That is such a lie. That's another lie.
Ezekiel: Oh,
Laurie: Right. You're not a child of God if you didn't give your life to Christ. And the only way to give your life to Christ, repent. You can't just do it because you know who he is and you think he's really cool. You can't just do it because the benefits are so fantastic. You don't get to write your name in the book. He writes your name in the book and he writes it there based on did you repent or not and it stays there based on did you live a life did you become sanctified living a life to honor God you can you can you can stop you can back out you can change your mind you can leave you can live a life that shows that you've left if you do that you didn't lose your salvation you walked away from it.
Ezekiel: Thank you ma'am.
Laurie: You didn't lose it. I didn't lose my salvation. I chose not to forgive. And so, you know, it's evil. It's an evil thing to say once saved always saved. It's an evil thing to promote false grace and hyper grace. It's an evil thing. Those things come from Satan. He has come to steal, kill, and destroy. Don't be a part of that work.
Ezekiel: Come on.
Laurie: And if you're in a church that doesn't know that, get out of that church and take your whole family with you. Leave that place, come to a place where where they teach holiness.
Ezekiel: I think one of the hardest parts for this the once saved always saved group is two things. One, it it gives them a sense of false humility to say God paid or Christ he paid it all. I'm exalting Christ by saying his sacrifice is more than enough. I don't need to contribute. And the other side of the
Laurie: Oh, can I answer that one?
Ezekiel: Go ahead.
Laurie: That one is you have a form of godliness, but you deny the power. Think about that. So that that that lie. You have the form of godliness. Oh, look at what Jesus did. But you deny the power because now you don't have to repent anymore. And I love what you just said. That's denying the power. Because if his blood Oh, man. You you said it even with the mercy. When God extends mercy, he's empowering you to be a mercy extender.
Ezekiel: That's right.
Laurie: In the same way, when God sheds his blood on the cross for you, and you accept that he's given you regenerative power to live a life that you could not live without him. He's given you his life. And you're telling me that the the the the spirit that rose Christ from the dead resides in you and is being defeated by all of your sin consistently every day and has no power to rescue you. How are you claiming that you've been set free and the power that sets you free is powerless?
Ezekiel: I've never heard of it like that. Right. Right. And the Bible is very clear. It says if you if you are somebody and you've tasted the goodness of God and you've understood and then you felt the power of the Holy Spirit and you know his his powers. It's like personally and you turn and you fall. There is no way back for you. There is no way back for you if you do that. And so who are the people doing that? The ones who refuse to repent. It has to be a lifestyle. It has to be, you know, Lord, I mean, I I I I'm trying not to mess up, but if I've messed up, please let me know. And you know, Ezekiel, I'll be driving down the road and all of a sudden God will remind me of something when I'm in third grade.
Laurie: Yeah.
Ezekiel: And I did this to this person. I'm like, "Oh, God, I'm so sorry I did that. I never even realized I did that." Wherever they are, lift off what I did to them. Make them whole. Make them better. Give them so many gifts today. God, remind me to pray for them. You know, and he he brings it up. Well, do you remember this? Do you I don't walk around saying, you know, hey, I'm I'm all that.
Laurie: Yes.
Ezekiel: I know that I am a warrior for Christ. I know that. And my prayer is that I will never deny him and that I will never take the mark of the beast that says that that beast is more important than my king. I I I pray that that my allegiance is to Christ and I pledge my allegiance to him and I ask him do everything you need to do in me to make that true because I want to be someone who says follow me as I follow Christ until I can teach you to follow him by yourself. Follow me. I don't want to be a false teacher and there's so many of them out there and I always want to be teachable. I want to be correctable.
Laurie: Yes. Yes. You know, it took me a long time and in so in getting better, I didn't get better overnight. I was sick. I had five heart attacks and a stroke. In the time of getting better, you know, I could not handle the stress of hell. It really has it depleted me. It made me sick. It gave me so many other sicknesses. And I went to I would go to the hospital. They didn't know what to do with me. They would they would keep me, you know, nine days and then they'd say, "Go see your primary care physician." What is that? You can't figure out what's wrong with me. And there was a godly man. He took me to a special doctor. And you know, Ezekiel, they would ask me, "Do you know what happened to you? We can tell you're under great stress. You know, we believe that this is post-traumatic stress syndrome, all these symptoms that you're having. What happened to you? Were you raped? Were you held at gunpoint? You know, and I'm be like, I went to hell. And oh, now we got a psychiatric evaluate you because they can handle you being tortured, but they can't handle that you were tortured in hell.
Ezekiel: Come on.
Laurie: So I paid we had to pay three times for a psychic that and what they came out with well she really does believe that happened to her. You know she's not making that part up. She really believes that all these things happen because they did. They did happen. Hell is real. Those things do happen. And you know when I would tell those doctors what happened, they would just sit there fascinated because they don't most of them don't believe in God. They they think they they had the power to heal somebody. But this doctor, this doctor, when he asked me, "Lori, what happened to you?" I told him I went to hell and he goes, "Tell me what it was like. What happened when you were in hell?" So I start telling him, he goes, "Okay, so we need to check your eyes and we need to check your sinuses and we need to check your breathing and we need to check for your word." We need to check your We need I I told him about what happened in my bones. We need to check your bones. We need to check your feet. We need to check and and that's how he began to make me better was because I told him everything that had happened there. And this doctor, he said to me, he says, "Do you know why God did this? Can you tell me why did God do this?" Yes, I can tell you because I would not forgive.

SECTION 15 — 30 MONTHS OF SILENCE — THEN GOD SPEAKS
01:16:43 Laurie: You know, it took me a long time. It took me exactly 30 months. When I came back from hell, God had not spoke to me. I was so worried when he finds out I'm I'm I'm out of hell. He's going to send me back. And Mike, he said to me, Mike said, "God sent you to hell so you could tell others." I said, "Don't ever say that to me again. It's not true. God sent me to hell because I wouldn't forgive. That's why I went to hell." The secondary, if it helps you, but he didn't send me there because he was looking for an example, somebody to be an example. Nope. He's good. He is good. He did not send me there because he was like, "Well, if somebody goes to hell and comes back, well then the rest of you can know that's not it." The very first reason why you sent me to hell was cuz I wouldn't forgive cuz you didn't go as a simple observer.
Ezekiel: No. No.
Laurie: And since I've been to hell, I mean, it took me years and years to get better. And I'm and I still live with certain symptoms of it. And that's fine. I mean, people who have went to hell and my Bible, I have their names written in my Bible of people who have been to hell. They come and they ask for help. Will you please help me?
Ezekiel: So, you've you've talked to others.
Laurie: Yes. When I first came back from hell, there's a man Bill Whis, great man of God, great man of God, and my boss knew him. He said, "Will you please come and help her?" And he did. He came. He had dinner at my house. He tried to help me. I met Mary Kay Baxter. She knew I was in the room. She actually said, "Who who here has been to hell? Please stand up." She knew just in her thing that somebody else. And I stood up. She says, "You at the break, you get to come see me." And I went I got to go talk with her. I mean, there is there are people who have been there. And when people go to hell, they they call and they there was a family that we know they called and they said their child had been to hell. Can we please bring our child? Will you please help our child? And God took this kid to hell, showed him around, asked him, help make sure no one comes here. He didn't burn, but it was still very traumatic.
Ezekiel: Yes.
Laurie: And you know, I was traveling and I think I was in the Netherlands. Yeah. And somebody said, "Hey, Lori, can this young woman come and meet you? You know, she's been to heaven." I said, "No, I'm sorry. I'm tired. Tell her she can email me." Oh, please. You know, she's been to heaven. I said, "Great for her. That's great. Heaven's wonderful." She was fine. I don't need to validate her. They said, "Well, she's been to hell and she's really struggling." I said, "Yes. Changed my appointment. We hardly got any sleep that night before we flew because I met with that child who'd been to hell. Because hell is a different story. Hell is a punishment. You don't go to hell just because God's looking for an example. You go to hell because you've done something wrong. Now, the people who got to go to hell as a visitor, that's just something different. But people who people who went to hell and experienced the it's a different story.
Ezekiel: Yeah. And and you know I remember asking Bill Reese when does the terror leave? And he said I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. He said God took my terror away. Well he didn't. He didn't take my terror away. I went 30 months and then he spoke to me. He said, "I sent you to hell because I love you." I knew when he said that the only way that he could save me, Ezekiel, I had every box checked.
Laurie: Oh my goodness.
Ezekiel: Every box checked. Leading all kinds of people to Christ, right? I'm leading all kinds of people to Christ, running all these outreaches, training all these evangelists. I mean, I'm in these prayer meetings. I can't hear God anymore cuz I don't want to because I won't forgive. I didn't leave him an option. I didn't leave him any options. The only way that Christ could be sure my last chance, right, was to send me to hell. And everybody wanted to know, well, why did you get out? You said, you said God said you're in hell eternally for unforgiveness. It's like, you know, why don't you let the wickedness of your heart come out? Would it make you happier if I were there eternally?
Laurie: Right.
Ezekiel: But I don't I never had an answer. You know, people were like, why? I don't know why I got out. Is it because he wants you to tell other people? No, that's just a benefit. That's just loving mankind. That's becoming more like Christ. When I tell people it's not because God asked me to. I tell people this story, Ezekiel, they write me off. They think I'm nuts. They think my family's nuts. They think they think I'm cuckoo. You know, then they want to judge me of how terrible I am. It's like, why did you go to hell? Why did you go to hell? I never had an answer for that until I met Prophet Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj and he asked me the question, Lori, why did God send you to hell? I said, I don't know.

SECTION 16 — THE ANSWER — SADHU SUNDAR SELVARAJ'S WORD
01:22:11 Laurie: He said, was it to tell other people? No, that's just a side benefit. He said, I asked God why he sent you to hell. I was like, did he answer? He said, yes. Okay, what's the answer? And he said, when the rich man asked Abraham, please go and tell my brothers, he couldn't. Lazarus couldn't. And what Abraham said was if he doesn't believe the prophets, he won't believe Lazarus. Only God could answer that prayer of that rich man how long ago? And the prophet said that God sent me to answer that man's prayer. Sent me back to answer that man's prayer. And when he said it, I thanked God. Thank you, God. He could have picked anybody there. He could have picked anybody. Anybody would have loved to have a second chance. But God in his mercy answered that rich man's prayer. Please send somebody back. And you know, it's like, you don't have to believe me. I mean, I'm just a woman. I sin. I don't sin often. Not not not like I used to. I don't sin often. And I'm checking every day. And you know, my day of atonement, I don't use my birthday. I use August 28th, the day I went to hell. And on that day, I take off, Mike takes off, and we just sit before God. Lord, what do I need to clean up? What do I need to change? What do you want? Because either you're his or you're not. Right. I mean, so the church has, it's true that there were 12 tribes and only one tribe served God in the church. So, okay, if you don't own your own ministry, that's okay. If that's not your calling, that's okay. But those other 12 tribes, they had to serve God. They had to do their work unto the Lord. They had to be righteous. And then they had to bring the tithe to the church so that God could take care of the tribe that was standing there serving him. So, it's okay if you're not somebody that's in ministry, but that doesn't mean that you don't get to pray, fast, come on, worship, you know, you need to do all the all the stuff. Read your Bible, take care of other people, sanctification. You still got to do it. You got to do the stuff or your name will be blotted out of the lamb's book of life. Now, there you go. People get so upset. And the Bible says, can you die in your sin? The Bible says yes. And die meaning separated from God. Jesus believed it because Jesus believed what Ezekiel said. And the problem so it comes back to this. If you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven. But what fuels the not not forgiving? What's fueling that? And it's hyper grace, false grace. It's the whole once saved, always saved. And I know I have I have had big leaders come and say very condescending say to me, "Well, you know, Lori, I have a whole denomination behind me that believes something different." And I'm like, "You think that makes me feel better that you're leading all those people to hell? Doesn't make me feel better that you're saying that, you know, how can you believe that when Jesus didn't teach that?" And they don't they don't study it. You know, there was there was in the 300s some guy, I think it was Augustine. Well, they already put him off as heresy. That was already heresy back then. And they'll go and they'll say, "Well, see, here was its roots way back in 300." Yeah. And everybody put it off as heresy because it was not a part of the Bible. So then they take what Calvin said.
Ezekiel: Yeah.
Laurie: And then they they they twist what he said and they have invented something else. It's what Calvin said. I don't think he I don't think he believed once saved always saved. I studied him. I don't think he believed that.
Ezekiel: I think Satan needs somebody to pin it on.
Laurie: Wow.
Ezekiel: And Satan picked that saint. Well, John Calvin, if you look at the five points of tulip, there's something that he says called irresistible grace. That's in the eye of Tulip which is to say and then also the persistence of the saint perseverance of the saints which is to say all of these things are to say and an elect was limited election or limited atonement which is to say God only died for the people who will end up there also that you can't resist the grace of God. So if God intends to die for someone then nothing we can do not even the way that we live. It's like they coincided with Romans 8 28. No, not Romans 8:28. Romans 8 where it says, "Then nothing can separate us from the love of God." And they also used the scripture where Jesus said, "Of all that you put in my hands, none can be snatched away." All of these are tied into if God intends for a man to be saved, then there's nothing that we can do to stop his work in our lives.
Laurie: Right.
Ezekiel: And and that that part we all agree with.
Laurie: We all agree that Jesus died once for all.
Ezekiel: We all agree that's true. So I don't think he was trying to create the once saved always saved. What he was trying to say is that Jesus work is perfect and it's for everyone. So you know I mean we won't know until we get to hear from him exactly. But what's out there now is not this. What's out there now is you don't have to repent anymore. The minute you think that, the minute you think you don't have to come to the cross every day, you don't you're not doing communion. If communion isn't about the cross, what is it about? He said, "This is my body. This is my blood." That's Jesus on the cross. Come back to repentance. Come back to holiness.

SECTION 17 — THE FOUR STEPS OF REPENTANCE
01:28:43 Ezekiel: Can you break down repentance one more time? Four steps. If you can just for the people that are I just need to hear that one more time.
Laurie: The repentance part cuz the four steps the with the four quarters. I want to be able to hear that just one more time if you could. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So I try and teach children because they need they need something simple. And if all you say to someone is turn, turn away from your sin, you didn't help them. They don't know what to do now. They'll turn from one sin and Satan will be there and put them in another sin. I've seen it time and time again. Done it. So repentance is number one. You have to agree with God that sin is sin. Now, this is a sticky wicket here because you have to agree with God from A to Z. And then if he's got points that are numbered, you got to agree with him. So, if God says that drunkenness is a sin, it's a sin. You can't play around with it. So, you know, I I get I get tipsy at one drink. So, I don't drink. Why? Because the Bible says don't be drunk. Well, how much? 1.25. I mean, where is it? And what if that one is too much, right? So, I mean, you got to know what he said. He says it's He says it's it's sin. Let me see. He says, let me read you a list. I mean, this is some serious stuff here.
Ezekiel: Help us out. Help us out.
Laurie: I I'm an evangelist, so I usually try and just tell what I know, which is good. But, okay, it's in Galatians 5 starting in verse 19. Now, the works of the flesh are evident. Okay, what are those? Adultery, fornication, uncleanliness, lwdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousy, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambition, dissension, heresy, envy, murder, drunkenness, realies, and the like of which I tell you beforehand, just as I told you in the time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you do these things. Now, there's one in here that I really watch myself for because I mean, you know, it's like a lot of these I would never do. I won't I mean, I went to hell. I'm not going to do adultery. I'm like doesn't have to worry about that. You know, I I I hated in hell. I don't hate. But the one that I'm worried about for myself is selfish ambition. Because naturally, Ezekiel, I am an ambitious person. It's fine to be ambitious for Jesus. You know, I will never be I'll never be guilty of exaggerating hell because there aren't worse enough words to tell you. Hell is so bad that the English language cannot describe it. The only words that really describe it Jesus already used and we think they're minor. He said weeping and nashing of teeth. That is the highest English words that you could use to describe hell. But we make those minimum now because we think we understand them. So I'm never guilty and I I want to be ambitious for Jesus. I want to complete my calling. I want to make him proud. You know, I want to do all that. But where is the selfish? You know, that dial of was that for Jesus or was that for you? And he's asked me that, Lori, why why do you talk? You know, you went there, you spoke, you know, and I'm extrovert. You went there, you spoke, you used all those words. How many of those words were really for Jesus? And I just I cried. This is recently. I was telling Mike, you know, the Lord is upset because I I just talk. And you know the Bible says I will be held accountable for every word.

Q&A — BREAKING DOWN REPENTANCE
Ezekiel: So what you just said and this is this is something that we all need to be mindful of and this is what sanctification looks like. And you'll as as you grow in the Lord you'll realize that list that you know that we're looking at in Galatians. It might just be that one thing but then God wants to kind of sift through. All right. Now, what is me and what is you? I I used to speak and I still do speak and I just, you know, I actually just got an invitation today, which was the third invitation, the same one that I've been ignoring because I just feel like, look, I spent a lot of my time leaving my family for, you know, going out, going out, and look, you know, I got to get the honorarium because this and that. And I'm just like, this thing does not seem organized. I don't I don't know if I want to do this. I just And I just just realized, man, if it was enough for me to say yes, if they were to take care of everything and pay me what I need to pay because I say, "Yeah, I want to be able to take care of my family." Why is it like if I say I'm doing the work of the Lord, then why can it be enough that it's the work of the Lord? Why is that not even a second? Like why did I I not even consider the emails that I got prior? Did I sit and did I go to God about it? No. Did I take time and talk to my wife about it? No. I immediately say it's not God cuz it wasn't aligned with what was comfortable for me. And so we have to do and this is this is something that like you said, we'll dismiss it like I'm still doing your work, God. I mean I mean you don't want me and my family to go without like all of these things God.
Laurie: Oh Ezekiel I have to tell you I mean so we have a rule if the Lord says I want you to go there we we I I and I'm not putting this on somebody else. I'm just saying for us I'm not going to give the Lord something that cost me nothing. I pay to go if I get something back. Hallelujah. I pay to go. I pay. We pay our way. I pay our rooms. We pay our food. And if if we go in the hole, I didn't give God something that cost me nothing. People have asked me, "How much does it cost to bring you?" I'll say, "Well, I'll pray. If the Lord wants me to come, I'll come." Now, you know, if you can help with the cost of the airplane, great. But if you can't, I'm coming. If you can help me with the cost of the room, great. If not, I'm coming. If you can give me a love offering, that's great. But, you know, I've preached on hell and they've done the love offering and there's nothing in the pot. I go because God tells me and he is my provider. And you know, he has taken care of us. He has blessed us in ways that nobody can. But I don't let I don't say yes because they say I'll give you this much money. And I don't say no because they say we don't have any money. Because I'm just saying the Lord, he is worthy. And I I you know we I say that he's worthy, but I want you to know something that I don't deserve the second chance. I didn't deserve the first one. I was his enemy. I I I know that I was his enemy, but he forgave me the first time and he gave me the second chance. And you know, like you said, what are the four parts of repentance? Number one, agree with God that sin is sin straight across the board. If you don't, if you think that I I I'll cherrypick this one is a sin, but I don't think that one is. If you do that, you can't repent at all. There is no repentance. You don't partway repent. You can't repent for the sins you agree with. You can only repent for sin and God determines what it is. Number one. Number two, you have to feel godly sorrow over your sin. You don't feel sorrow. This is what you feel. You feel pride. So when I tell you so Christians should feel bad for all suffering. All sin. If you don't feel bad for all suffering, like go get saved. You know, anybody that's suffering, God is hurting over that. Mercy. Take any war. You may think you're on this side of the war or that side of the war. And maybe God has a side, but God is not okay with any of those people suffering. He's not okay with any of those people suffering. The suffering, this is not godly suffering. This is demonic suffering. That's not from him. He doesn't do that. He doesn't starve mothers, babies. He doesn't keep food and and and cause people to look like Holocaust people, you know. He doesn't do that. He's a good God. He lets it rain on the good and the evil. So, you have to feel something. What do you feel when I tell you that this woman, let's say there's a woman here and she's had five abortions. What do you feel? I don't feel anything. You know, it's not my life. It's not my choice. What kind of pain took that woman to the place where she would just give herself away? And five times she was chosen by God to be a mother. Five times he was giving her somebody to love her. That's what she's after. I want to love somebody. Five times she murdered it. She didn't value it. How hurt must that woman be to be so steeped in sin that she can't see the gift that God just gave her? And what about those five little ones that never got a chance to fulfill who they're supposed to be? What do you feel when somebody tells you that they are addicted to cocaine and it's ruining their family? What do you feel? Are you willing to get involved? We we we should feel something just in general for sin. And how much more should you feel it if you're the one in sin? There is a sorrow that comes from God over sin. And I'm not trying to say I'm mature. That's not what I'm trying to say. But in maturity, you'll feel something more and more and more and more until you begin to weep. And your intercessory prayer is for holiness for all people. So you have to feel something. Number three, you have to confess your sin one to another. Nobody likes to do this. Why should I share what I'm going through? Until you do, you can't get help. Because if you could get out of this mess by yourself, you'd already be out. You know. You confess your sin to somebody and now somebody else who loves you. You don't just go to some stranger. Don't just go up to the prayer line and just tell anybody. Go tell somebody who's involved in your life who loves you who's going to try and help you. You know, when Mike told me that the doctor said that, you know, he's got to watch what he eats. He can't eat this and he can't eat that because, you know, he had a he had a heart attack and they put nine stances in his heart. And he said, the doctor said he can't eat this. He can't have bacon. You ain't getting it. Go to the store. Go to the restaurant. You want to order bacon? No, you don't. Why? Because I'm on your team. If you forget, I remember. That's why you go to somebody who loves you. You confess your sin to that person because they love you. They're going to help you. They're going to get involved with you. They want life for you. Go to somebody who is above you, somebody that you want in your life, somebody that you'll let hold you accountable. Don't just go to some stranger that you don't even know and confess your sin and think that that's what God was talking about. Cuz we've all sinned. Nobody's going to judge you. Somebody's going to help you. You know, and all the things that Mike can't eat. When we went back to the doctor and the doctor was like, "Man, you're doing really well." He's like, "Yeah, my wife won't let me eat anything. That's bad for me. That's good." You know, what does love look like? It looks like jump in there and help. That number three. And Jesus promises if you confess your sin one to another, you will be fervently healed. That's what his promise. That's from his side. That's him coming and taking away all that pain. That's Jesus. Only he can do that. And then number four, you put something in place that you don't do that again. Now, it's going to be hard. It's not easy cuz you lived the easy life. That's what got you in sin in the first place. It's going to be hard. It's going to be costly. And and it's going to it's going to cut somebody something out of your life. So, put something in place that you don't do this again. Costly, you know, and people are like, well, how many times, you know, it's okay if you did that, if you repented and you put something in place. Think of number four as a fence. So, you did something. You put a fence out there so that you can't run in the traffic headed north. Okay, you're safe. You But now you now you got hurt because you ran east. Your ball ran east and so now you got to put up a new fence. Yes. So eventually you put up four fences, north, south, east, and west. You should be good now. And you know, in my life, I have a hard time saying no. If somebody calls, I have a hard time saying no. So I hand the brakes to my life to Mike. Sometimes you got to hand the brakes to your life to somebody who knows better.
Ezekiel: We all need a spiritual mom and dad. You know, you go to them, you talk to them, and you're like, "What am I going to do to get out of this sin?" And they'll tell you something you don't want to hear.
Laurie: Yes. That's what you need.
Ezekiel: Oh, man. But it is what you need. And and unless we stop sinning, we're going to hell. God is not going to allow all this stuff. I tell you again, just as I told you in times past, those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. That's not me. But that's that's the apostles telling us, look, listen, pay attention. This is what Jesus taught them and this is what we're trying to teach everybody before it's too late. And a day is coming, a day of reckoning. And you don't know when that day is. You're not guaranteed tomorrow. You know, it's like, "Oh, well, that's the evangelist line. No, this is what you need to know. You need to give your life to Christ today." You're not given another day. You don't know. And if you heard from God, if hell shook you up, if you realize, "Wait a minute. All people are going to hell. That means I'm going to hell. Because I'm not right with Christ. Then you need to give your life to Christ. And it's not it's not the prayer that I'm going to pray. It's it's not a word. It is a heart transformation. It is God, I am wicked. I need help. You're the only one that can help me. I want I want this holiness. I want this life. I want this I want to be who you say I am. If that's you and you're you're like, "Wait, I get it. I'm going to hell." Then then you need help and we can do it right now. And then I want you I want you to get a hold of Ezekiel. I want you to write in. I want you to let him know so that him his intercessors can pray for you. He'll let me know. But right now, we need to take care of this.
Ezekiel: Let's do it. Let's do it.

SECTION 18 — LAURIE LEADS THE SALVATION PRAYER — ON HER KNEES LIVE ON AIR
01:45:57 Laurie: I want to do it on my knees. Everybody needs Jesus as a savior. Everybody. And you may be thinking, you know what? When I get it all cleaned up, I'll come back. You'll never come back. Now is the time. If you feel it now, if you realize, I am a sinner. I'm going to go to hell. You may you may have been at churches where they say with every eye closed, with every head bowed, I'm going to tell you, no, this is public. And from here on out, you are a child of God. You hold your head high. That who you used to be, the secrets and all of that pain and all that suffering and all that you did, he already knows. And Jesus, he's willing, able. The blood that he shed is innocent. And he he wants you. He loves you. There's a drop of blood from the Savior's body that belongs to you. And if you're willing, if you know that all of this, all of this show was for you, if you know that, if you can feel that, that's the Holy Spirit telling you today is the day of salvation for you right now. Right now, it's your free gift. Join me. Get on your knees. We're going to repent together. Humility is a beautiful thing. God says he will not resist the humble. He'll come. Let's pray this together. It's not the words. If your heart isn't moved, it's not really salvation. Jesus, I know that I am on the wrong side. I'm on the wrong team. I've lived my life for myself. That list, I'm guilty. I'm guilty of sexual immorality. I'm guilty of a dirty, filthy mind. I'm guilty, God, of lying, of cheating. I'm guilty. I've done the majority of the things on the list and I know there's a huge list of sins that I don't even know that I've done. Have mercy on me, God. You're the only one who can. You are the only one who can save me. And I realize that now. I believe that you are the son of God. I believe everything that's been written about you, God. Even if I don't understand it all, I believe, Jesus, that you are the Messiah. You're my only hope. You're the only innocent blood. I believe you died innocent, tortured. You took the cup of wrath from the father on my behalf. We talked about communion. You broke your body. Every day we can come to you, God. Every day we eat bread. Every day we can come to you. You took the glass of wine. You said that your blood would be poured out for our sins. We have a savior. And we come to you right now. Savior of the world. I need you. Forgive me, God. Forgive me of my sin. Forgive me, God. I want you to just say it. Forgive me of lying. What else? What do you need him? You You have so much regret over this sin. If you could just get rid of this one. You think you your life would have been different if you could have got rid of this one. This great regret. Forgive me, God. I love you, Jesus. I need you. I need you right now. I need you to send your help. Send your Holy Spirit. Come and cleanse me. It's the only way I can be holy in righteousness is by your love. Can you feel it? Can you feel those tears wanting to come? Can you feel Can you feel it's like I messed it all up? Save me, Jesus. Because if you don't, I am headed to hell. I accept you as my savior. Come on. I accept you as my savior. Say it. I accept you, Jesus. I accept your ways. I agree with you that sin is sin and I am sinful. I want to be a child of God. I want you to help me. I want you to write my name in your book. I want to be in heaven with you forever and ever and ever and ever. I don't know everything that you want me to do, but I'm willing right now. I'm willing. I receive you, Jesus. That's the only thing I have to do to be saved. This is all you have to do. Believe he is who he says he is. Cry out the name of Jesus. Tell him you accept him and by this you are saved and now to stay saved. I pledge my allegiance to you, Jesus. You are the king and I don't know all your ways yet, but teach me. Teach me, God. Guide me. Lead me. Put me in a good church. Put me with with people. Bring me a spiritual father, a spiritual mother. Help me, God. I want to give gifts for the kingdom of God. I want you. I say, "I love you. Today, I love you. Tomorrow, I want to love you more. And I want to tell you right now, you are right. And your name is being written in the Lamb's Book of Life because of your admission, because of your heart posture to the King. I just want to remind you tomorrow when God brings up something you do wrong, a sin, repent. Repent. Every time you find a sin, repent. This is the way to feeling clean. And can you feel it? I have led so many people to Christ. Not that I'm saving them, he is saving them. I tell them the way. I tell them the road. And this is the road. And I ask them, "How do you feel? And they tell me, "I feel good. I feel light. I feel new. I feel loved. I feel special. I feel important." Hallelujah. Let me pray for you. You belong to God. He always He made you with a plan and a purpose. He's always wanted you to choose to be a child of God. Now you're his. Hallelujah. Live righteous. Live holy. All that means is when you feel the Holy Spirit telling you, "Hey, that's wrong. Stop." When you're telling a story and you catch yourself lying, say, "Oh, I got to stop. I'm I'm getting into lies now. You be different now. You are different now. You be different now. You are different now. God will help you. He will lead you. And there's a couple more things I want you to do. Yes, we want you to write in, but I want you to understand, I want you to get filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is a help to you. I want you to be water baptized. It is a help to you. And these three things that God has, salvation, baptism of the Holy Spirit, and water baptism, these things help put you on a good, clean line to become like Christ. And in no time at all, you'll be leading your families. You'll be leading the church. You'll be leading people the right way eternally to Jesus. God bless you. I pray for you. I thank God for you. Lord, take your new children. Make them shine so bright and grow them up quickly. Bring all the pieces that they need. Lord, protect this good, happy feeling that they have in Jesus name. Now, go tell somebody who's been inviting you to church. That person who's been inviting you, tell them, "I'm saved." Go to church with them. Tell somebody. Tell the lost people. You know, the ones that you go out drinking with, you don't go with them anymore. You tell them, "I got something better. I have a happiness. I have peace. I have Jesus." Invite them. Tell them. Ask them. Turn in. Watch what Ezekiel is making. God bless you. Thank you. What an honor, Lord. Thank you for bringing me in Jesus mighty name I pray. All honor, all glory, all praise to Jesus. We pledge allegiance to this great king. Become warriors. Become warriors for Jesus. Amen.

SECTION 19 — EZEKIEL AFFIRMS THE GOSPEL AFTER LAURIE'S PRAYER
01:55:40 Ezekiel: Now you might be asking what is the gospel? The gospel is very simple. That you are a sinner and that you are on your way to hell without a shadow of a doubt. You were born in sin and the wrath of God abides on you and you do not deserve to go there by way of your sin. But while you were still a sinner, God sent his son Jesus who loved you and died for you as your substitutionary sacrifice. Which means he died in your place so that you could live his life, which means he died for your sin. He was buried and 3 days later he resurrected from the dead. And if you would confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. I'm talking about the real Jesus of the Bible, the eternal son of God that became a man. God manifested in the flesh that became a man and in 33 years he died on the cross providing redemption, buying us back, translating us out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear son. Which means he redeemed us back to God. He reconciled you back to God by way of his death on the cross. And so you're probably saying, "How can I be saved?" Very simple. All you have to do is repent of your sin. I'm not talking about 360. Talking about 180. You turn. You turn from your sin. You believe in the gospel exclusively. Just Jesus. I'm not talking about Jesus and Mary. I'm not talking about Jesus and Buddha. I'm not talking about Jesus and some other centralized figure. And I'm not even talking about Jesus and your spiritual father and destiny and all of that. No, no, no. There's only one way to heaven. Jesus said, "I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. And nobody comes unto the father except through me." Jesus is exclusively the only way. You want to know why he's the only way? Because he's not only the only way. He is the door to enter in. And the only way you could get in is by way of repentance. You must repent and become born again. Why? Cuz only sons and daughters can become citizens in the kingdom. Outsiders can't come in. But Jesus died on that cross and he made the way open for you. And if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. I'm not talking about all this other stuff to get saved. No, no, no. Just believe. Believe in him. The efficacy of Christ's work on the cross as the substitutionary sacrifice in exchange for your sin which means you give up your sin you give it to him he exchanges it and takes on your sin but he gives you his righteousness and then you are righteous and justified by faith in Jesus and when you have justification because of Jesus now you have peace with God you have peace with God and watch this and now he will no longer longer be just your god. He is now your heavenly father through the person of his son Jesus. Why don't you pray that prayer right now? Just repeat after me. Say, "Lord, I believe that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell, but God, you sent your son." Go ahead. Those of you that are watching, repeat what I'm saying. Say, "God, you sent your son, Jesus Christ, to die for my sin. He was buried. 3 days later, he resurrected from the dead. I now confess you, Lord Jesus, as my Lord, as my savior. Come into my heart. Come into my life and wash me from my sin. And now say this. Say, "Holy Spirit, I surrender my life to you. Make me born again in Jesus mighty name." My friend, if you said that prayer, whichever way you said that prayer, as long as you believe and confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and that he died on the cross for you and 3 days later resurrected and you repented and believe that message, the Bible says, "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." You are saved, my friend. Here's what I want you to do. There's going to be an email that's going to be put on the video right here. And I want you to write I want you to write this channel and tell them that you accepted Christ as your savior and brother Ezekiel and this the administrative staff of this channel will help you find a local church in your area that will point you in the right direction. But we need to hear from you say man of God and that broadcast. I know you guys are talking about demons and devils but I ended up getting saved and I ended up renouncing all other gods here, which means you got to renounce all other gods and believe exclusively on the son of God. And welcome to the family of God.

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